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    46% in Yahoo! poll against weekly day off for maids

    Most Yahoo! poll respondents are against the suggestion to give maids weekly days off. (AFP File Photo)Most Yahoo! poll respondents are against the suggestion to give maids weekly days off. (AFP File Photo)

    A recent poll by Yahoo! Singapore revealed that most respondents are opposed to making it mandatory for employers to give domestic workers in Singapore one day off a week.

    Of the 13,782 users who participated in the poll, 6,375 users --46 percent -- responded "No" to the question on whether Singapore should pass a law to give domestic helpers a compulsory day off.

    Poll conducted by Yahoo! Singapore. (Screencap)Poll conducted by Yahoo! Singapore. (Screencap)

    6,059 users -- 44 percent -- said "Yes", while 1,348 users said that they "can't be bothered".

    A compulsory weekly day off for domestic helpers was suggested last week by Minister of State for Community Development, Youth and Sports Halimah Yacob.

    Halimah said, "If a rest day a week is not possible, then these workers should at least be compensated in cash."

    Under standard employment contracts for maids, the number of rest days each month is stipulated, and should the maids agree to work on their rest day, employers are required to pay them an agreed amount of compensation, usually between S$20 and S$50, TODAY reported.

    The Ministry of Manpower has said it is reviewing the call to grant domestic workers weekly rest days or compensation in lieu, and that it will entertain input from stakeholders. The public may send their suggestions and comments to mom_fmmd@mom.gov.sg.

    Elma, a Filipino who has been a domestic helper in Singapore for the last 20 years, said that there is a current misconception that maids will usually loiter outside Lucky Plaza on their off days.

    The 44-year-old said, "When maids take days off, they may just stay at home and take a break instead of hanging out with their friends."

    When asked whether maids should have a mandatory day off, she said, "Of course they should make it into a law. Maids need the rest just like normal human beings."

    Misconceptions about penalties

    In comments to the story about Minister Halimah's suggestion, most Yahoo! Singapore users indicated that they were against the idea. Some of them cited what they believed were current government policies placing financial liability on employers for wayward helpers as a reason not to award frequent off days.

    "It's really the penalty that employers get if something happens to the maid. We are being placed (held) responsible for them, day off or not. How is the government protecting us as employers?" said Yahoo! Singapore user I-care-for-singapore.

    Another respondent Rachel asked, "What are the government policies to ensure no moonlighting (by) the foreign domestic worker? If this law is legislated, what consequences will be imposed onto the employers if they do not abide? Fine and jail again?"

    The users believed that employers could lose the security bond of $5,000 if a maid gets pregnant.

    But under new rules implemented by MOM in January 2010, employers only need to inform maids of the work permit conditions and inform the authorities if a maid breaches any such conditions. Should their maids violate work permit conditions, the employer's security bond will not be forfeited, The Straits Times reported.

    However, if a maid absconds and cannot be found, the employer could still lose half of their security deposit.

    Make it a guideline only?

    Madam Maggie Pay, a 52-year-old cashier, has had three domestic helpers in the past 10 years. The helpers were hired to cope with the needs of her 98-year-old mother-in-law.

    Pay disagrees with the weekly off days and feels that it should be a guideline and not something that is cast in stone. Pay has had experience with maids falling into bad company after allowing them mobile phones and frequent days off.

    "I don't think the suggestion should be made a law. It really depends on the maid. My current maid has a mobile phone and goes on off days once in a while when she requests for one. She's unlike the other maids I've had who fell into bad company and created problems for me," said Pay.

    "Ultimately, it really depends on the maid and if they are responsible enough even on their off days," Pay added.

    Issue of fairness and equality

    Russell Heng, president of advocacy organisation Transient Workers Count Too (TWC2), said that Halimah's suggestion is "rather overdue". Heng added the current situation surrounding days off is not working.

    "From the point of fairness and equality, the current off-day policies aren't working. There are many instances of domestic workers working unhappily and that can lead to bad consequences such as abuse and so on," Heng said.

    "Look at Taiwan and Hong Kong, two countries that are very similar to Singapore, they have obligatory off days for their domestic workers," Heng added.

    "Such a move will not appease everyone, but we should be fair and see what the foreign domestic workers want," Heng said.

    On how the group is working on changing the mind sets of employers, he said, "We tell employers that it might be in your interest if such a law is legislated. A happy worker is a good worker."

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    • Liuhebafa  •  11 months ago
      Mdm Halimah - Assuming Singapore pass the law to " make it mandatory for employers to give domestic workers in Singapore one day off a week."... you are NOT solving the financial woes of the employers let alone their domestic problems. Please do a thorough research amongst the employers and feel the ground before responding to a simple human right call. There are many human right activists making demands on various issues.... are you going to adopt and implement each and everyone of them? Spend more time on finding solutions and helping the Singapore workers and families who are in need of financial assistance. Is it more important to make it mandatory for employers to give the domestic workers one day off a week than to find meaningful solutions to get Singapore females to have more babies?

      I can assure you that by the next GE, you will be voted out.!
      • Leo 11 months ago
        Our government usual self...foreigner 1st,animal(PAP) 2nd...Singaporean 3rd...
      • Gildor 11 months ago
        What Singaporeans?. We are not protected...we are just born here.
      • Liuhebafa 11 months ago
        I doubt Mdm. Halimah is qualified NOR has the experience to be the Minister of State for MCYS
    • Shawn  •  11 months ago
      The government must also do its part by reducing the "LEVY".
      • --- . --- . --- 11 months ago
        What? Reducing Levy?
        Do you not know that there is no government levy in HongKong and Dubai. In Singapore we have to pay maid levy of $265 per month?
        When will Singapore going to have zero maid levy?
      • Avery Cruz 11 months ago
        I agree with you Shawn. Levy is too much expensive they should reduce this.
      • concern singaporean 11 months ago
        zero levy not reducing levy,
    • cinimod  •  11 months ago
      In Singapore, we have our normal 44 working hours per week (or some companies use 191 working hours per month). Regardless if the companies choose to work on 4 day-week, or 5 or 5.5 or 6 day-week, the total hours per week must not exceed 44 hours.

      Likewise, there are many types of employers with different domestic requirements/needs. If on the average, maids work about 14 to 16 hours per day. Let us take it as 15 hours per day or 90 hours per 6 working days with one off day per week. Therefore we can take it as 90 working hours per week for domestic maid.

      Then, the employer and maid can mutually agree if they want to spread out the 90 hours in 6 working days with 1 off day or 7 working days with shorter working hours (say about 13 hours each day for 7 days). I believe in many homes, maids have few hours of good rest in every afternoon as all the family members are at works or in schools.
      In my home, all of us leave the house before 7:30am to work or school and back home after 6pm, my maid has all the time to herself when we are not around.

      Like many maids, she feels it is a financial burden to go out on the rest day as she has to pay for the costly bus transportation and food outside. On few occasions she just walked to nearby shopping area and in less than 3 hours she rushed back for home free lunches. She chose not to have a rest day, unless we bring her out and on our expenses.

      For such maids like mine, do you think more off days will work or to impose more financial burdens for us to have maid then we can go out to work and contribute to Singapore’s economy???

      As our good MPs, you tell me ,,,,,
      • Ning Ah Kong 11 months ago
        U said it correctly.
      • W 11 months ago
        I used to work more than 80 hours a week with a meagre pay of $6/hr. This excludes the 14 hours/week I spent travelling to and fro work. Even on public holidays, I'm "kindly requested" to return to work as I'm an efficient cheap labour to them.

        Like most maids, no off days means more pay to me. Something I'm appreciative for as I was saving up so I could go to school as my family was very poor and couldn't afford to pay for my poly fees or daily expenses.

        Even when I went back to school, I either was studying or working everyday for no less than 18 hrs a day. Weekends are no exceptions except that there's no school but I have to finish off the housework.

        And looking at how I used to work non-stop for 18 hours/day under many watchful eyes, my maid is having a very relaxed time here. She takes 15mins to iron 1 shirt, doesn't require to cook dinner as I catered our meals, kids are independent and doesn't require constant babysitting.

        If she is as efficient as my 1st maid, by 6pm, she can sit down and watch all the TV serials with us! On weekends, she doesn't get off days but she doesn't need to cook and simply hangs around the house doing nothing much while I still have to slave around my kids with their classes.

        Well, maybe our MPs are such good slave drivers like my ex-employer that their maids really do need the time off and they want to impose it on all of us too.
      • --- . --- . --- 11 months ago
        @cinimod and @W above,
        Both of you have given very good views of many "good-life" maids in Singapore.
        Many MPs have lost touch with the ground as they are living in a different worlds now.
    • poetic justice  •  11 months ago
      Halimah Yacob - Why no mention about reducing Maid's levy if you expect employers to give 1 day off per week? And it should not be anything less than $80.

      You have sat on the International Boards of the ILO and TAFEP and such a legislation will certainly make you look very impressive.

      But step into the shoes of the typical working mother who has to juggle with many things, our quality of life will deteriorate. Most of us bring home less than $4000 a month.

      You earn over a million a year and can employ as many maids as you are allowed to. We can only afford 1. You can even afford to have a house husband.

      PAP, your Minister Halimah Yacob certainly does not walk the same on the same ground as the typical Singaporean working woman.

      Totally insensitive.
      • Leo 11 months ago
        i agree with u...
      • Iza 11 months ago
        Betty, thumbs up for yr words. Mdm. Halimah forgotten her background I guess.
      • Young at heart 11 months ago
        I totally agree with you.........last year after I have renewed my maid's contract I increased her salay from $400 to $450. my maid told she that she wants every week end off. I grated her 2 off day on condition as and when I am free that sunday. I made it a point no fixed off day. My maid household duties are looking after a mild stroke patient (not bedridden, can walk) cooking for the patient and herself and cleaning the house. My family and I we are all working and we dine out before we go home. I urge MOM will consider the maid's off day. As an employer we need rest too on Sundays and enjoy a Sunday outing with the family.
    • Akalis C  •  11 months ago
      Why dont the MOM review how many maids got pregnant, end up deported back and got to suffer the consequences of broken family, abortion and hefty debts. Also how many has moonlight in vice circle and end up missing. Plus how many moonlight as a illegal worker which brushes with the law. Peer maids' advice on how to nego and tuang are very real. These are the very true worries of the employers of maids as the consequences are tremendous. So much so that many resolved into not giving maid off to block them away from these influences, not a great way though.

      I am not against maid getting a day off and I think they do deserve a good rest too. I also believe that many many maids are doing their duty well even with day off. I believe the entire hiring agreement and law needs to protect both parties fully to reduce potential damages to the minimum before jumping into a simple human right call.
      • For Goodness Sake 11 months ago
        Giving maids the handphone is the greatest mistakes. I know of a Indian maid terminated by my friend bec she found out that her maid was actually a PIMP! She had so many construction BFs and spent her time msm to other maids to arrange for 'service'
        What an embarassment when her neigbour found out and told her that her maid was providing special service from her home!
        Another Indo maid was found having sex with a consturction worker in the masterroom when my friend's husband returned home early one day. They called the police. The man was released but the maid was repatriated.
        Real truths. If u must have a maid, be more vigilant. Its better to struggle with your own household chores. Get everyone in the family to do their part.
      • Mary 11 months ago
        Aiyah! I spoke to MOM about workers running away and work illegally. Why MOM don't bother when they knew about it? SB forfeited. I did not chase worker away. MOM say..cannot deploy so many to catch these run aways... MOM want me to hire PI and give them the exact location, easy for them to nab the worker. Siaoliao.. I told MOM that they don't hack care at all, and the workers also knew very well MOM don't bother, that is why till today employers with FT "Let's RunAway!" facing the same problem. What have the MOM or Gov. done to solve these issue? The more runaways the more SB is earned? Singapore law be practical. Don't just focus on FT workers.. Turn your heads to Employers and find out the problems too.
      • Ramesh Ramesh 11 months ago
        It clearly shows 46% of Singaporeans are either Barbaric or Inhuman. How can you
        treat a Maid like as if you own her like a slave. Put yourself in a Maid's shoes and
        see how it feels like not to get a day off. Do you have any compassion at all?No human being in this world should be subjected to this kind of living condition. Only in third world countries this thing is allowed to happen. You clearly only look after yourselves and don't have any compassion to a human being. You treat dogs better than your Maids.Even dogs need to get out how much more for a human being?What goes around comes around so you don't know it yet what is the payback 10 to 20 years from now especially to Singaporeans who mistreat their Maids. To all you 46% Singaporeans, you need to get civilized so you can join the majority of 54% that knows how to treat a Human being like a human. This is really sad because the 46% of the Singaporeans will produce the same offspring like them, Barbarians!
    • Star  •  11 months ago
      Well everyone has a point and well spoken.

      My suggestion to MOM:-
      First of all MOM to scrap the entry test. Secondly scrap Security bond. Thirdly reduce levy to half or scrap totally and let FDW pay for income tax, according to yearly income, so that their salary can be higher - at least they will have motivation to work hard. Off day to be negotiated Between Employer and FDW.
    • Eagle Y  •  11 months ago
      My maid has a day off a month. I asked her the other day I could exchange a weekday instead of weekend, she said all her friends are off on Sundays. :S

      If I am not liable for her misbehaviour, and giving me any of her social problem, I don't mind her off every week. But not her choice of day.

      Before this is legalised, I hope MOM can review its policies to safeguard the interests of the employers first.
    • Loong Tham  •  11 months ago
      Look at Taiwan and Hong Kong?So are employers in Taiwan and Hong Kong penalised if their maids absconds and cannot be found?Either you fully follows their examples or you don't.
    • W  •  11 months ago
      I guess those who said yes would be mostly FT who believe in human rights and not concerned about the penalties because they're loaded. For the rest of the population who has not much of a choice but to engage paid help of a stranger are normally not from well-to-do background and the penalty that the govt has imposed on employers is a HUGE deterrent from allowing maids time off.

      I too believe in human rights but our dear gah-ment has taken that away from us, forcing us to be VERY prudent. We have to keep a very close eye on our maids from committing crimes, sexual misconduct or running away. Should our maids make a mistake, we employers have to pay for it with a lot of $. Fairness you say? How about human rights to employers?

      Recently, I employed a transfer maid with me being the 3rd employer. After 2nd day, she told my current maid whom she's suppose to replace that we're a very nice family and the kids well-behaved, very fortunate to be here. Upon hearing that, I felt comforted that she's happy here. On day 7, I found her climbing dangerously outside the window cleaning it and i reprimanded her for it, told her safety 1st, never endanger herself! She told other maid, "only 2nd floor! what's the big deal?" That night, she felt tired from spring cleaning, my other maid gave her a massage.

      Day 8, she went to church with my kids and during lunch, on pretext of going to the toilet, she ran away. Her legs are hers, I can't tie them up or chain them to me. Her running away like that, my $5000 is at stake. Ever wondered how long does it take for an average family to save $5000 in cash? Ever wondered how painful it is to be robbed of $5000? That's how it'll feel like when you're penalised for a wrong your maid commits.

      She was eventually found and she told agent that we always scolded her! How strange as I was literally sick in the hospital or in bed all week, my husband worked till late, kids were in camp and obviously my current maid is an angel who would even give her a massage! Then I learnt much later, she wanted off days!

      If all who thinks that employers in Sgp are hardcore slave drivers, you've never dealt with maids who terrorise your life.

      My previous Phil maid (also transfer maid) whom I reported to the police for child abuse but decided not to charge her out of pity. She did these to my kids: slapped, hit, pushed child hard against furniture for fun, injuries with blood clots all over the arms, all despite my many warnings. She lied to her friends that I sent her back for stealing which she said were not true but I set her up.

      She then used her wide network of friends, other maids who have off days and local married male lovers, to threaten my family after she left the country. I had to call the police for backup if the threats didn't stop. We felt so scared and angry at the same time about all the things she did. I felt more so angry with myself for repeatedly giving her many chances to change to be a better person.

      IF those 44% think that employers are devils, and maids are damsels in distress, read my story again and see who's the real victim and if they really deserve the off days they so much desire knowing that they're building a network outside that might attack your family one day in sunny Sgp.
    • Rina_R  •  11 months ago
      I let my maid goes off during the week she gets her pay and also give her extras for her to spend with her friends. Each time she comes back from her outing, she would tell me stories abt how other maids dresses and behaves in the presense of the public. Once she even told me that she is "malu" (ashamed) by their dressings and their behaviour towards their banglas boyfriends. So now instead of going to places where other fellow maids are, she and her friends would end up places like East Coast for a picnic or Esplanade. If only all maids are the same and knows their self-respect... but in reality, this can never happen. Each person has different personality and you can never control them to be good and "cross their legs" all the time... sometimes temptation just set in especially for the ones that has marital problems. The worst that could happen is for them to get pregnant, run away from their employers, in hide out for months and buried their babies alive!!! If only Mdm Halimah could do Sunday visitations to the vicinity of Budget Hotels... she would probably be shocked to see how BOLD these maids and their Banglas checking in!!! It just so happen that my in-laws are staying at Whampoa and right beside the bus stop is the entrance of a budget hotel!!!
    • poetic justice  •  11 months ago
      MOM, are you aware that graduates among the Myanmar Domestic Helpers actually source for employment as S pass holders while working as Maids? Through their contacts, they approach FT friendly firms to employ them. These firms will then apply for S passes for them.

      The maids quit their jobs, leaving the Employers in a spot, and return to work here as S pass holders.

      These are some of the things the more highly qualified maids do. My former Myanmar maid's cousin did exactly this. So from a salary of about $500 as a house maid, she later drew about $2000.

      So we are back to the "FT taking away our Jobs" issue again.

      Mdm Halimah Yacob -- did you know all these were happening? Why dont you give suggestions on how to improve Work Opportunities for all Singaporeans, as you did so, and won awards back in early 2000?

      Do you have any relevant suggestions that are relevant in this new era, year 2011. Singaporeans are now plagued by FT related job problems and you are actually creating opportunities for even Domestic Helpers to add to this problem.

      How ignorant and ironical.
    • William  •  11 months ago
      Halimah...you from MCYS?
      Then you better settle your own citizen social safety net issue before acting heroine by talking about taking care of the maids.
      I am not against giving the maids a better living environment. I will eat with the maids together with my family. I will never segregate them and make them eat last.
      However, you as the govt, your priority is taking care of the people of Singapore - first.
      If you cant even improve your own people's living standard, you want to talk about improving others?
      I believe, if our govt dont stress us out too much, we will not stress the maids out that much as well.
      Its becos, our govt is squeezing us to that limits and we have to work so hard without much rest. The stress builts up and we put the stress, directly or indirectly to the maids.
    • Watson  •  11 months ago
      the gov always jaka their @#$% and take "employer" to task when problems happenned that is beyond the control of the."employer" when the maid is given day off. "employer" here means we dont earn a cent from hiring someone to help unlike those employer employing workers like us. We pay through our nose. If given a choice who want a maid. Do a real study, is our maid really that bad working in our country. They are black sheep of course that make use of the maid every single secoonds like washing their car, carry their children school bags, carry groceries, carry their baby or child.....,I have foreign friend that have part time lover from their very own country and the lover is a maid and that got hinge because the maid has day off. We will have more problems if maid day off is legislated. We are a small country and many places already occupied by these foreigns are we going to make thing worse? Some says other country given day off to maid so we should follow, in that case all Minister and civil servant should follow the benchmark of the salary of other countries. I can only support those hard labor foreign, they deserve a good rest and decent salary too. For maid they already living in good condition and do not need to worry on food, housing and daily expenses, in fact most prefer not to have day off to save more money to remit back home.
    • Felix  •  11 months ago
      NO unless the govt or MOM or Mdm Halimah agree to take full responsibility if something happen to the maid. When something happen to the maid, they blame it on the owner and make the owner pay.
    • Common People  •  11 months ago
      Dear Mdm Halimah,

      Try working out the reasons why most employers fear to give their maid an off day. If your salary is that of an average earning Singaporean with kids and elderly parents to look after. Can you afford to loose the maid and pay the penalty? Can you afford to allow the maid to go wayward and pay the penalty? Can you afford to let the maid get pregnant and pay the penalty? MOM protects the maid but not the employers.

      The main reason why employers needs a maid is simply they have no choice but to leave their loved ones in the care or hands of a maid. Given any other option, they would not prefer to employ a maid if they can still manage it. Employers are generally kind hearted but if the maid starts to do funny stuff instead of helping the employer, then this will cause a lot of problem.

      Before you make any suggestion, please carry out the polling using a wider base. Try talking to employers, maid agency, maid, elderly folks who are cared by maids. If your suggestion is simply to highlight that our Ministry or Ministers are very much for human rights, PLEASE RECONSIDER , as it is going to affect a lot of your fellow Singaporeans lifestyle and can create more problems and frictions.

      If you still don't understand, please read all the comments listed here as it is written by the same people who voted you in to have your current seat in parliament. It is also written by employers who have enough experience to share with you. You need to lower yourself to this level before you can see the real picture.

      If you heart is really for the maid, think again. With Singapore security going downhill which you can see and hear it from the news on the numerous cases on murder, rape, buried alive baby etc. It is actually safer for the maid to stay in the employer's home. So please don't take it out on the employers. Alternatively, you can visit Indonesia including the rural areas to have an understanding of their mentality and maturity level.

      Try suggesting the removal of FDW levy, removal of Security bond and the removal of an entry test which can cost innocent lives as they have a huge dept to pay off back in their home country. Therefore, pleae don't take innocent lives anymore for Human Rights sake.

      During GE2011, the government says that they will listen to the people.
      Well it is time now to show us, WE WILL SUPPORT YOU in the removal of the above.
    • Stylusmaestro  •  11 months ago
      Dear Mdm Halimah

      With all due respect, I salut your touch but it takes more than just appealing to both human rights activist and MOM plus PAP. I believe you don't move around often via public buses or downtown do you? It ain't hard to spot a makcik in these areas coz they are rare. The situation is already congested and messy. Until the Government do something to our transportation and population issues, please don't bother implying the unnecessaries to win the heart and minds. Peace.
    • Hairy Lee  •  11 months ago
      Mdm halimah, before u look to improve the working condition of the foreign maids and such, y dun u look into the working conditions of singaporeans first? do u noe that lots of singaporeans are having employers making them work like slaves as well....alot of these cases were not reported to MOM for fear of being targeted at by employers or even losing their jobs, especially in big MNC...so pls solve the local problems FIRST
    • No Surprise!  •  11 months ago
      Hello, you want us working mother, with children and old aged parents at home, to die sooner? We already suffering to hell to pay higher basic pay to maid and heavy levy, now what? What is helper for? Do working mother got day off, send our children and old aged parents to PAP care centre and we have a day to rejuvenate?

      The increase in basic pay is killing us already. What the HELL, you want more Singaporeans to commit suicide is it?
    • et  •  11 months ago
      My first maid got pregnant after having her 3rd off day. Where did she meet the guy? Lucky Plaza! How lucky is that???!!!

      And how unlucky was I? I had to wait at least 2 weeks before I can get a new maid, had to take at least another week off work so that I can train a new maid...

      Now, is that fair? She gets all the luck and I get all the badluck....!
    • subi  •  11 months ago
      Hi,

      I am one among the unlucky employers, Due to the S'pore law/rules I have lost lot of money in employing the maid, I feel the govt wants us to have responsible for all activities of the maid and still wants us to accept a weekly one day off for maids.....

      Now itself I know many of my friends having a problem by giving monthly one day off/mobile phone to maids.
      "Weekly one day off " system will give more trouble/worries to the employers only......

      When thinking about having kids , all these things directly/indirectly put working mothers in to a situation of not having another one. I think this is also one of the main reason of reducing child birth rate in s'pore. Working mother life is very difficult than maid life .........

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