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    ‘Can PM Lee win over civil service sector?’

    SPP candidate Jimmy Lee questions if civil servants themselves believe in the need for change. (Yahoo! photo)SPP candidate Jimmy Lee questions if civil servants themselves believe in the need for change. (Yahoo! photo)Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong has to work hard to win members of the civil service over to his agenda of change, says Singapore People's Party's (SPP) Jimmy Lee.

    During an hour-long interview with Yahoo! Singapore earlier this week, the 36-year-old, who was part of the SPP Bishan-Toa Payoh GRC team, questioned just how effective PM Lee's call for change and the need to relook policies from a clean slate would be.

    Lee said the reason for his sceptism is because in casual conversations he's had with civil servants, he's heard terms such as "populist measures" to describe PM Lee's recent actions.

    "I believe when you put a label like 'populist measures' on an effort to change, then you don't have the mindset to change," said the former Defence Science and Technology Agency (DSTA) scholar.

    "You are already injecting cynicism and constraining the space for possible solutions," added Lee, who himself served previously with the DSTA and the Ministry of Defence as an assistant chief information officer.

    Lee believes PM Lee first has to win over the civil service -- from the ministers and superscale civil servants down to the rank and file administrators and junior and mid-level officers -- to his cause, adding that failure to do this would result in "pushback".

    "(PM Lee) still needs to work with all his ministers down the line and then also the civil servants within the government," he said. "He has his work cut out for him trying to transform a lot of these institutionalised biases within the civil service."

    "I think civil servants do take dressing from their political masters, so I would say that if we are hearing this kind of talk from the ground, then it has to mean that perhaps the ministers themselves have not bought in to the need for change as much as we hoped," he added, suggesting that PM Lee may need to convince his Cabinet first about the real need for change.

    However, civil servants Yahoo! Singapore spoke to seem divided about Lee's comments.

    "I think it's too early to judge, but at least PM Lee is showing that he is willing to take a step in the right direction," said a 27-year-old civil servant who declined to be named.

    Another agreed, however, saying, "PM Lee definitely wants to win back votes, but if that means taking these actions, then why not? At the end of the day, politics is politics."

    When asked about his plans within the SPP to stand for the next general election in 2016, Lee alluded to the possibility of giving way to new blood, even though this election was his first as a candidate.

    "For me, it was a calling," he said, on the short history behind his foray into politics. "And for now, I see that the need to serve is there, it is clear, and I would say that I will be running."

    He said that he has met and spoken to at least ten "highly qualified, very experienced candidates who are credible -- the kind you might have seen on the PAP slate", who could, to him, conceivably be ready to stand for the next election. These were on top of the four other candidates whom fellow candidate Benjamin Pwee had mentioned before in media interviews.

    Lee said, "There is always a higher mountain, and if someone better able to do the job steps forward, I would always be open to giving way to newer candidates."

    He added that from the pool of new members the SPP has seen so far, it is likely that the calibre of candidates to fielded in GE 2016 will be even higher.

    "I'm also optimistic that many capable candidates will step forward in the next election and I do hope to see it happen," he said.

    "And if there are so many good candidates that I don't have to run, hey, I'll be happy to support the alternative cause in another way."

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    241 comments

    • My Opinion  •  1 year 0 months ago
      This is difficult for me to say given my many friends in govt service. But I feel they have to understand that there has been a significant change in the ground sentiment for more rational salary benchmarks going forwards across the board post the 2011 GE. There is huge unhappiness on the ground with the salary received, particularly by govt servants at the top, vs the pain that lower income Singaporeans have gone through over the past 5 years. If it doesn't happen now, it will probably happen after the 2016 GE and the adjustment could be even worse.

      It is clear that the opposition is benefiting from the 2011 GE impact with more and better quality candidates joining them. If the ruling party doesn't take pre-emptive action quickly to recover votes, I would hate to see what would happen to some GRCs when they face a far stronger opposition slate than the 2011 GE when even PAP stronghold sites with all their resources, grassroots organizations, etc., lost over 43% of the popular vote to a poorly funded and motley opposition team.

      Change is in the air. Breathe it.
      • teo 1 year 0 months ago
        Yes Yes even growth divient does not help. People know it will be sucked back in time plus interest.
      • NowUknow 1 year 0 months ago
        Until I see the HDB affordable price changes, then I will believe. Otherwise it is no different than kindergarden stories.
      • NowUknow 1 year 0 months ago
        Ah one more thing, it is easier to teach a monkey new tricks than........
    • Affordable House Price  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Every 5 years, there will be a rise of righteousness over "Cost of living of Singaporeans, % of Foreign (Not Talents) in Singapore, Housing Price.etc", by decisions of all living in Singapore.

      The Wave had begun, & will be larger in 2016 (might be bigger than anyone can imagine if root causes not solved, & XXX policies not targeted at bringing prosperity to Singaporeans in all aspects at affordable level).
      • mju 11 months ago
        -
        -To all the people talking about rising COST OF LIVING: so you would rather your cost of living go DOWN? this would also mean your current HDB flat, car, wage, salary etc get cheaper and cheaper!
        -
        - No country's cost of living gets lower unless it's in trouble. If my country's cost of living gets Lower and Lower every year, then I would be really WoRRIed!
    • Dio  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Whether it a populist measures or not,PM Lee have to do these changes or risking losing more votes in the GE 2016.Lost of a GRC is the wake up call for the ruling party and get back on the right track.Let's monitor the progress and be critical when they derail from the right path.
      • why 1 year 0 months ago
        why dont Jimmy Lee join PAP to prove that he can rule.
      • titan 1 year 0 months ago
        That's where the co-driver comes in handy!! If the slap doesn't work, give him a 'kungfu kick' next time!!
      • A Yahoo! User 1 year 0 months ago
        Yeah, that's provided the idiot driving isn't a Kungfu Panda. Cause then he'd deserve more than just a kungfu kick or a slap.
    • yap  •  1 year 0 months ago
      In July, there will be a wage revision for civil servants. However, the lower rung of the civil servants do not feel the impact of the revision as it is just a 4% difference. But it is this lower rung civil servants who do the data gathering, running the ground and do all the @#$% work that the mid or upper rung would not want to do. Instead, they prefer to wait for the data gathering to be done up by the lower rung before scolding them for any mistakes before sending them up as their own work.

      Therefore, it would be better to increase the percentage difference of wage revisions to the lower rung as a form of encouragement and motivation instead of increasing the wage revision of the upper rung who btw enjoy 15% to 20% wage increase while the lower rung got only 4%.
      • Goofy 1 year 0 months ago
        Serving the Nation is a noble and honorable cause as it constitutes elements of personal sacrifices. It should never to be associated with the losses or gains. Like late Mr Sun Yet-Sen, he served to liberate China from Imperialism of the Qing Dynasty. Did he ask for any pay or compensation? If monetary gain is a criteria to the office holding, then there should not be any mention of noble sacrifice because it is only an employment. Meritorious service can only be regarded when one foregoes the high reward (opportunity cost) for much lower or no pay work, e.g. charitable work or national service. That's considered noble and sacrificial; else it's absurd for MIWs to "preach" that they are sacrificing by serving Singaporeans.
        My suggestions to the Ministerial and Presidential salaries are:
        (1) Review of Ministerial pay
        (1a) The review of Ministerial pay MUST ALWAYS be presented and debated before/during each General Election, and not after the GE. Similar to an employment, the employee (in this case is Minister) asks for the salary from the employer (in this case is Voter). Both parties need to agree to proceed with the employment.
        (1b) Ministerial pay MUST NEVER be tied to private sector as the Singapore PM is never likely to be sacked or asked to leave for poor performance. The level of job security of a civil or private job can NEVER be comparable to the dynamism, intolerance and risks of a private employment. A CEO of an MNC or company can be questioned, sacked and shamed by shareholders. Is the Singapore PM or Minister willing to setup such AGM-like debate in each constituency annually?
        (1c) The pay can be administered via a weighted system based on the following parameters/components.
        (2) Basic pay
        (2a) Benchmark against the averaged salaries of executive-powered Presidents/PMs of Developed Nations, e.g. USA, UK, France, Japan.
        (2b) Relative comparison of annual GDP values of Singapore economic performance against those of Developed Nations. That is, if USA's GDP is USD$100B while Singapore's GDP is USD$50B, thus Singapore's PM should draw mathematically 50% less than that of US President based on responsibility.
        (2c) Relative to the international and domestic job coverage of the Developed Nation President/PM, the Singapore PM or Minister must define the coverage of the arena. Like a sales job, if the Minister needs to address more international or regional issues, then he/she can be paid more than other Ministers. For instance, a Foreign Affairs Ministers can be paid slightly more than a Home Affairs or Transport Minister, who has less international/regional job scope.
        (3) Bonus/Variable pay
        (3a) This, primarily, should be tied to the performance or variable bonus that employers are paying out to Singaporean employees for that year. This SHOULD NEVER be tied to GDP growth, as it is an indirect application to use GDP as a gauge while most employees do not enjoy the number of months of bonus, e.g. 8 months. The agreed formulae must be adhered at all times throughout the term of office until the next review or GE.
        (4) President's pay
        (4a) Each worker should be compensated based on the weight of responsibility and capability, so does the Singapore President. Singapore's President does not have that executive responsibilty compared to US President, Mr Barrack Obama. US President is only paid USD$555K per year for the ULTRA heavy domestic and international responsibilities. Furthermore, the US President has far better qualification than Singapore's President. Face it, it's a fact and reality that Singapore's President is a ceremonial and symbolic vocation. However the mechanical function of the President has not been impressive, as lamented by late President Mr Ong Teng Cheong. Despite the so-to-speak "high status", every Singaporean knows very well, the President does not hexecutive authority but ceremonial delivery. Likewise, the pay MAY be that of a top tier civil servant since this is a "high status" position.
      • zen kang 1 year 0 months ago
        If WP Political Party did not take over the Aljunied GRC during the last GE…
        1 Do you think the 9 MINISTERS will retire/resign after election? I don’t think so.
        2 Do you think the Ministers/President PAY will be revised? I don’t think so.
        3 Do you think there will EVER be ANY effort to change any policies/rules and regulations for the better? I don’t think so.
      • lauhelow 1 year 0 months ago
        If the lower ranks feel in awdward position, doing all the 'dirty' job, gathering and providing datas to their superiors, got whacked instead, suggest that they gang up and leave the workplace. Then we can see who would be fired later. Surely their superiors would also kana whacked too because they can't produce. This also happened in big corporations too, not just civil services. Want to try?
    • Allgooner  •  1 year 0 months ago
      I have no complaints for general civil servants getting market rate, they have got families too. No difference in work load and pressure, between working in government offices/ companies and working in private sectors.

      But I have a BIG PROBLEM if Ministers are getting millions, for what, on what justification? Some Ministers do not deserve the millions we are paying them!!

      We can compensate more for senior and loyal Ministers their years of dedication and for their extensive experience. But for new and "xin jiao" (new bird) Ministers, no way!! Just like the TPL case, are we paying inexperienced Ministers millions to learn?

      OMG!!
      • none 1 year 0 months ago
        I can't agree more to Allgooner's view; exactly my sentiments. Cut Ministers Pay but not civil servants. If MPs are paid so high - 15K a month, then they should not be holding another job. Just like TPL - getting 15K a month for doing nothing and then having big fat pay from her professional job. Follow sylvia lim who has resigned from her lecturer post to concentrate on her MP job. This is the kind of MP we should salute!
      • ss111 1 year 0 months ago
        LHL still not listening?? Too close to call? He should by now make a list of issues that he will resolve and review. If not, he is just doing wayang as usual, and richie life goes on as never before.
      • Allgooner 1 year 0 months ago
        @Retired teacher...tks.

        @Ss111 - Think LHL has his list but he cannot show for now. This is politics, he an only "show" when he has already done it or can confidently deliver. But I like the fact that he is doing or allowing reforms. So bravo!!
    • Tat San  •  1 year 0 months ago
      what is happening? Nothing seem to work. Healthcare , Housing, Transportation, security,mnisters pay,grc, sport, etc. WHY?
    • Yan Li  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Nowadays, if you provide feedback or information regarding some suspected infringement of rules and regulations to Governemwnt Agencies like HDB, Police etc, they will reply with a auto-message, saying that they take your feedback seriously and are looking into it. They will not let you know the outcome of their investigations or action taken, if any. They will say that it is not their policies to do so.
    • Blackened And Justice For ...  •  1 year 0 months ago
      If the opposition had not win the 6 seats and if the PAP had made a clean sweep at the polls, I think we would'nt be having all this reviews.
    • SingaporeJedi  •  1 year 0 months ago
      I never understood why PAP and PAP supporters say PAP has done this and that for us (global financial crisis, SARS, town council etc...), they took care of us between elections.... What has the Opposition done??? Where were they???

      PAP is the government and manages their town councils. ie they are doing what they are supposed to do. Can they NOT do it?

      Is the Opposition suppose to solve these problems? Do they have the resources? Do people expect the Opposition to hold meet-the-people sessions, solve the municipal problems, national economic issues for them when they do not control the State resources? Wouldn't it be ridiculous of them to try?

      I find such challenges to the Opposition silly, ridiculous and typical of PAP nonsense logic.
    • Roger  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Seriously, the Singapore Civil Service is really in need of a "shake down" especially from the top to mid levels. There is an attitude problem and also complacency issue.

      PSC should provide public some data on the salaries of each level of civil servant and %age of these employees have resigned.

      For a country like Singapore, our Civil Service is "bloated and overpaid". It also has too many un-productive scholars in the system.

      When you hear such feedback, it shows that they are fearful of the "pain" the changes will bring upon them. However, they do not feel the pain that their inaction or lack of ground feelings had brought upon the average Singaporean when they recommend or review policies for their respective ministry.

      It is good for each of the civil servant to feel some "pain" otherwise they live their own secure job without fear of accountability or retribution.
    • R J  •  1 year 0 months ago
      TODAY let say you reviewed the pay to half, (WHICH CAN NEVER HAPPEN) but over the years what are the increment and bonuses? Isn't it the same?

      While the committe put their focus on the ministers pay ( I hope an MP too, drawing $15K a month - part time job, not even meet the people..!! is mind bogling) a focal point to be review in order to moraly fullfill the need of the citizens, YOU ALSO NEED TO "IDENTIFIED" ON THE INCREAMENT AS WELL AS BONUSSES IRREGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF THE "GROWTH".

      The PAY PACKAGE need to be FIXED and be review or revised as and when it required as well as the need for AN INDEPENDANT BODY TO APPROVED IT. 13th month pay is not an issue but others YES.

      Bonussesssss such as 3,4,5,6,7 & 8 months should not come EASILY & FREELY without the approval of the Independant Body. As a civil servant, we should know our moral duties and responsibilities. Any monies that the country made should go to the NATIONAL RESERVE or ECONOMICLY use for the benefits of the citizens as well as the country AND IT SHOULD NOT BE SPLURGE in the NAME of BONUSSESSSS and INCREAMENT...! ONLY THEN WE WILL REALIZED WHO ARE THE CORRUPTED PERSON..!!
    • Chua  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Please please please, look at those super high scale salary people. Dont go and kill everyone along the way, including those earning less than 30k per year. Go kill those earning millions, hundreds of thousands per year.
    • fishmen  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Dare to change PM LHL show your Leadership or Singapore Political Tsunami will come in 2016.
    • Tauras Twoooneone  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Once upon a time MOH was under Ministry now restructured so call. So that money can be diverted to them and for the salary, allowance and pension just sit for two terms MP or Minister ejoy the million dollar club,. What happen to MOH now resignation senoir doctors , nurses, paramedical they replace the hospital with international flag of workers. SO when they are sick scared to die early, since have not enjoy the million dollars they made. We the goverment come first to be serve and not forgeting their family too dont forget we are watching too the public.
    • Ka ke nang  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Singapore like a farm. It's hard work but life is simple and people are sincere.Their leaders were sincere and cared about them. The people resonatedand reciprocated, However, no one wants to becomes a farmer anymore. We are blind by money, greed and more money. We supported our leaders in pursue of more money. Now after many years of good life, we were caught in many storm. Our harvest were bad and soon we realised that there is not many local farmers left. Most of them had left for better life and traded them to foreigners whom settled here. Our leaders were enjoying good comfort all these years with the saving of the good harvest. They no longer live in the farm too. The kampong spirit which taken the farmers through stormy weather now had disappeared. People became disillusion and displaced. The people soon realised that they have to decide what they want. how the want and how much they want their children to be.

      Singaporean, we all had our fair share of what happened today. We chosen our course and we have to bear with it for next 5 years....
    • SingaporeJedi  •  1 year 0 months ago
      It is good that SPP is drawing more credible candidates who are ex-scholars and ex-civil servants.

      But then again, have to be careful with this strate----. No point becoming a replicate of PAP with ex-scholars and ex-civil servants.
    • K  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Singaporeans must not forget that oppositions have walked a very rough and thorny road to win the GRC. You have now see how PAP is willing to review the ministerial salaries ( however this can be for show only as the review committee are made up of people who are for the PAP ) ,etc. Without OPPOSITIONS do you think you will see all these ?

      Thus it is important to have a two party system in the political arena and only your votes can get the OPPOSITIONS into parliament . There are many other issues to change - CPF, ERP ( they are now looking at satellite tracking haha investing huge sums to get these equipment working .... do you think they will stop the road tax ??? ) , housing ....
    • Suffering Singaporean  •  1 year 0 months ago
      lets get certain things straight and clear about this entire situation in Singapore.

      it is not about populist measures or popular votes -- it is about getting your policies right in matching these with progress of its population the people of Singapore who are Singaporeans regardless of race, language and religion towards a common objectives that will bring us forward together matching our aspirations as one people one nation.

      so it is not about populist measures per se or popular votes

      right now and since the 90s the direction has been skewered towards the top tier of its population who saw much progress and wealth creation while the middle and bottom were driven further down the path of poverty.

      rightly or wrongly - this has created a serious imbalance and unhappiness amongst its people although the top tier sees it fit to keep growing their interest and wealth through a slew of policies that was driven and sold as good for Singapore. well, good or not this has resulted in many Singaporeans becoming disenchanted with the government and its policies.

      if the incumbent party and the review committee that now oversee policies changes failed to understand clearly that it is now about populist measures but simply about matching policies with people's aspirations, Singaporeans basics needs for a decent living and make the necessary changes in these policies, the day will certainly not be far for them to wake up and found that they are no longer the people's choice anymore.

      why not the incumbent take serious stocks in their policies flaws rather than making more comments that irates and upsets the people further and create the impression that they are just going through the mode of change but nothing really will change and that these are nothing but empty talks.

      when will they realized that it is not about becoming popular but it is about ensuring the livelihood of Singaporeans are taken care of and that their family are together in this progress for the nation and not to be marginalized by policies that are only serving the top few.

      just stop making more comments that caused further distress, distrusts and disconnect with the people

      change must be seen carried out with resolves and impact on citizens that has been much affected by policies that place them at a disadvantage in being jobless due to age factor, no income from joblessness, rising costs of living, soaring prices of public housings that is HDB, soaring health care costs that makes many Singaporeans rather go to their last stop at Mandai than falling sick and consulting a doctor -- rising costs of daily necessities.

      make real efforts to arrest these issues rather than more of such empty talks
    • SingaporeJedi  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Alfred,

      The regretful point is that these changes were forced upon PAP when they received a wake-up slap by losing a GRC and their near-death experience in 2011.

      Had it been implemented by their own device, it would have been more credible. Unfortunately, changes they make now lends credence to the point that it is only when citizens rescind absolute leeway and control through more Opposition in Parliament will the PAP listen..
    • People  •  1 year 0 months ago
      Well, sometimes i look at it as if there is a very big head but maybe only 1 hand and 1 leg doing the job of 2 hands and 2 legs. - Sad to say that's productivity to some people. Cut cost at the lower bottom end but boast salary at the top. 1 staff at the top equal to maybe 5 to 10 staff salary at the bottom.

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