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    ‘Political divide must not become national divide’

    Former MM Lee Kuan Yew shared his projections and advice for Singapore with undergraduates at NTU. (Yahoo! photo/Jeanette Tan)Former MM Lee Kuan Yew shared his projections and advice for Singapore with undergraduates at NTU. (Yahoo! photo/Jeanette …

    Singapore must prevent its political divide from turning into a national divide, as the latter situation will mar the country's performance and growth, says former minister mentor Lee Kuan Yew.

    Addressing some 1,800 undergraduates at the Nanyang Technological University ministerial forum on Monday evening, Lee said that since Singapore's independence in 1965, it was the country's solid backing of a meritocratic system that had pushed its standards of education and growth to unprecedented heights.

    "A political divide... has already happened," he said. "But if a political divide remains one and not a national divide where national issues are concerned, then the impact on our growth will not be very much."

    Lee went on to cite the "constant bickering" that he observed in countries with two-party systems such as the US, UK, France and Germany, saying that should Singapore experience a national divide, it will become "just another ordinary country, with the same problems".

    "So my worry about the future is whether we'll have the same national solidarity, the same desire to increase education and increase performance, and having the best people in the best jobs... once we veer away from hat meritocratic system, our performance will drop," he said.

    When asked about the applicability of his strict, authoritarian-style leadership to younger Singaporeans of today, the soon to be 88-year-old veteran leader acknowledged a changed attitude and receptiveness of citizens to policies.

    "As Singapore grows more segmented, with more diverse educational levels, you will not have the same homogenous mass of people to rally behind a single policy," he said, comparing this to the period he spent as Singapore's first prime minister, when education levels were much lower.

    "So it's a different society that we face, and therefore the political leaders (of today) will have a much more complicated job of getting society as a whole to accept programmes which are segmented to meet the needs of various strata of society," he added.

    Lee went on to explain why he saw there could no longer be a one-size-fits-all way of doing things in Singapore, saying, "You have a highly competitive economy, with competitive different groups of people, so it becomes very difficult to forge policies which are homogenous and appeal to all... They have to be segmented to fit each social group."

    Mr Lee Kuan Yew fielded questions on wide-ranging topics at the 45-minute dialogue, accompanied here by discussion moderator, Assoc. Prof. Kwok Kian Woon, NTU's associate provost for student life. (Yahoo! photo/Jeanette Tan)Mr Lee Kuan Yew fielded questions on wide-ranging topics at the 45-minute dialogue, accompanied here by discussion …

    Sharing his thoughts on the greatest challenges that Singaporeans will face in the coming decade, Lee addressed the students candidly, reminding them not to adopt an attitude of expectation when they graduate with their respective degrees.

    He said that as compared to the 1960s and 70s, where university graduates constituted just five to seven per cent of every cohort of students, today, some 50 per cent of each batch of Singaporean students will have graduated from a university, either locally or abroad.

    "I think our biggest challenge is... not to say, well, I'm a graduate, and so I deserve more. This is one of the problems we now have... because of the expansion of our universities, and then you have the (students from) polytechnics becoming graduates of universities in Britain, you have a situation where 50 per cent of the population says, I am a graduate and I expect these rewards."

    "We haven't become brighter as a population -- we've become more educated, that's all," said a very candid Lee. "That's the problem the government faces, and that's the problem the public faces (the attitude of expectation), because they've got to understand that no policy can satisfy all segments."

    Over the no-holds-barred 45-minute question-and-answer session, Lee fielded questions raised on a wide variety of topics, from nuclear power to food security, and on hot-button issues like foreign talent and the changing political landscape of Singapore.

    When asked about the increasing political awareness of young people in Singapore, Lee shot back, saying that political awareness involved knowledge of the "political divides between classes, the way the economy is going, and what opportunities there are for different groups of people."

    "Being politically aware after the (general) election means you just got excited over the election, and voted for one party or the other," he said. "That does not mean you are politically aware. If you were politically aware, your votes would have been much wiser," he added, to laughter from the audience.

    He was also asked about the comment made by Major-General Chan Chun Sing, Acting Minister for Community Development, Youth and Sports, about religious harmony in Singapore.

    To that, Lee responded that he disagreed with MG Chan's views that there is a divide between religious and non-religious people in Singapore, asserting instead that it lay between competing religions.

    Being an agnostic himself, however, Lee concluded, "If you try to convert me, I'll say thank you very much. I've thought about heaven and hell, and I'm prepared to face either, if either of them exist."

     

    853 comments

    • A Yahoo! User  •  8 months ago
      Put me under polygraph scrutiny and then give me double citizenship and I'll fight for what is truthful and right till I give my last breath!
    • Hyuga  •  8 months ago
      I will speak the American English now.

      GTFO bitch!
    • Ben  •  8 months ago
      Quote,

      “Tolerance implies no lack of commitment to one's own beliefs. Rather it condemns the oppression or persecution of others.”
    • zi zi  •  8 months ago
      blah blah blah blah blah blah
      blah blah blah yawnnnnnn blah blah blah. this creep is soooo needy.
    • zi zi  •  8 months ago
      he's got more than his foot through the gates of hell. he's brought his enitre clan.
    • FACTS are Truth  •  8 months ago
      The GOP needs to Take RESPONCIBILITY FOR WHAT THEY DID!!!
      lets talk about why our budget is so bad.
      Bush and a Rep house took over in jan 2001 with a nearly balanced budget. FACT

      CLINTON and a REPUBLICAN congress DID work together and balance the budget.
      And we had social services like Medicare and SS and the was no doom and gloom on the horizon.
      Bush and the Republican house had control right from jan 2001.
      This was the GOP's TIME to make the choices to make this country strong!

      In 2003 Republicans had both houses of congress and they chose to grow the deficit from practically zero to hundreds of billions. FACT

      No big concern for the deficit then!

      The budget deficit grew each year until by 2004 it was over 500 billion where it remained in the 550 billion range for the next 3 years. FACT

      Lets not forget, there was a Republican Senate and House since jan 2003. FACT

      No big concern over the deficit then!

      Bushes last budget was over a trillion in the red. This was an effort from a Dem house and a Republican senate. FACT

      Bush did not Veto one spending bill!

      No big concern for the deficit then!

      Then the poo hit the fan in fall 2008.

      NOW that the other side is in control you expect an overnight miracle in the middle of the biggest recession in 70 years.

      Now is this is all Obama’s fault? You conservatives are SUCH Hypocrits!
      • Colin 8 months ago
        Well documented! Before taking pot shots at others LKY should go to the root problem as to why Singaporeans are upset, I trust it will all fall back to PAP's policies.
      • Edmond 8 months ago
        I agree with Dalars completely. During the Clinton years, there was only Monica L as a scandalous distraction. And this was also orchestrated by the Republicans. The very same leader of Congress (Gingrich) also resigned later due to a sex scandal. How ironic! So the problem with US politics is not the diversity - but actually when the Republicans had complete control over the legislative and executive. How true that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is something we need to guard against in Singapore. Thank goodness for WP, NSP & SDP!!!
    • ricky l  •  8 months ago
      Country in deadlock - due to political divide and national divide

      Published September 7, 2011

      Put country before party, Obama urges Republicans

      (DETROIT) Labor Day must seem like the movie Groundhog Day to US President Barack Obama.


      President Obama: Said millions of unemployed construction workers would be able 'to get dirty' building roads, bridges and other public works under his proposals
      On Monday, for a third year, he celebrated the holiday that honours workers with union members and their families in a political swing state, promising job creation measures to reduce a 9 per cent unemployment rate and calling on his Republican opposition to 'put country before party'.

      Mr Obama, speaking to a crowd estimated by the police to number 13,000, said he would propose 'a new way forward on jobs' in his speech tomorrow to a joint session of Congress, which returns this week from its August recess.

      He did not provide details but said millions of unemployed construction workers would be able 'to get dirty' building roads, bridges and other public works under his infrastructure proposals.

      Organised labour and business leaders are on board, Mr Obama said. 'We just need Congress to get on board,' he said, prompting cheers of 'Four more years!' from an audience filled with members of unions for autoworkers, public employees, service industry workers and teachers.

      It remains unclear what new ideas Mr Obama will propose tomorrow. But he faces high expectations after recent evidence that job growth has stalled and because of his own build-up since announcing a month ago that he would lay out a short-term stimulus programme after Labor Day.

      Mr Obama also faces scepticism because of persistent unemployment. Recent polls give him his lowest ratings to date for job approval and his handling of the economy, though the ratings of Congress, and especially Republicans, are even more negative.

      Besides infrastructure proposals, Mr Obama has indicated that he will call for extending and expanding temporary tax cuts for businesses and individuals, including a payroll tax cut for which he won Republicans' support last December after agreeing to extend the Bush-era tax cuts on high income.

      He is expected to propose that employers get a tax credit for each new person hired, and to help local governments avert more teacher layoffs.

      Separately, next week, he is expected to recommend ways to reduce annual budget deficits to a special congressional committee charged with finding up to US$1.5 trillion in savings over 10 years.

      But in Detroit, Mr Obama emphasised job creation. His backdrop was the headquarters of General Motors - which, along with Chrysler, has restructured and returned to profit and hiring after their rescue early in his administration.

      'We've got a lot more work to do to recover fully from this recession,' he said, adding: 'I'm going to propose ways to put America back to work that both parties can agree to because I still believe both parties can work together to solve our problems.' - NYT
    • ricky l  •  8 months ago
      Published September 7, 2011
      World recognition of Singapore 's Meritocracy System
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      World Bank plans knowledge, finance hub here
      By TEH SHI NING
      (SINGAPORE) The World Bank Group will make Singapore a hub for knowledge and financial activities, and grow its staff strength here from 10 to 70 within three years.


      Expanding tie-up: Mr Zoellick (left) and Mr Tharman exchanging an agreement on scaling up the partnership between the World Bank and the Singapore government yesterday
      Expanding two existing tie-ups with Singapore, the group yesterday inked an agreement which makes Singapore home to its first combined group office outside Washington, offering its full spectrum of products and services.
      This new hub will help 'unlock private sector interest in infrastructure and bring more investors to the table' in developing countries and provide an 'integrated approach' to jump-starting the public-private partnership market, said World Bank president Robert Zoellick. He signed the partnership with Tharman Shanmugaratnam, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance and Manpower, at the World Bank - Singapore Infrastructure Finance Summit here yesterday.
      Singapore has been a 'real world practitioner of a dynamic approach to development', Mr Zoellick said, adding the group is 'investing in Singapore as a knowledge economy and financial services centre'.
      The hub builds on collaboration which began two years ago with the launch of an Urban Hub to help countries deal with urbanisation's challenges, and which was deepened last year with the launch of the Infrastructure Finance Centre of Excellence.
      Key additions to the expanded office include the group's private-sector arm, the International Finance Corporation (IFC), as well as its private-sector guarantee arm, the Multilateral Investment Guarantee Agency.
      IFC's new asset management company is already working with the Government of Singapore Investment Corporation on a commercially run Global Infrastructure Fund. It will also explore cooperation with Singapore-based commercial banks and firms to make emerging markets' debt and equity investments available to global investors, Mr Zoellick said.
      Training and capacity building is another key aim of the new hub. This will be achieved via the World Bank Institute, which already offers an urban leadership training programme in partnership with the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy.
      Some staff from the bank's chief financial officer's, treasury, accounting, corporate finance, risk management and information communications technology departments will be stationed here too.
      Bert Hofman, the bank's chief economist for East Asia and the Pacific, will be the new office's director. The former country director for the Philippines is now based in Singapore.
    • ricky l  •  8 months ago
      Published September 7, 2011

      World economy pays price for democracy

      Policy-making in gridlock because of ideological differences and politicking
      (WASHINGTON) The world economy is paying a price for democracy. As recoveries from the US to Europe lose momentum, policy makers are running into gridlock formed by the politicking and ideological preferences of governments that voters have chosen.

      'Policy makers in both the US and Europe have been distressingly missing in action.'
      - Mohamed El-Erian,
      CEO of Pacific Investment Management Co

      Republicans and Democrats in the US squabble over how to restrain the budget deficit and spur job growth, while officials throughout the eurozone differ on how best to safeguard the future of the single currency.
      The result is what JPMorgan Chase & Co economist Bruce Kasman brands a 'crisis of competency' as investors question the ability of authorities to act fast enough to avoid repeat recessions. JPMorgan, Citicorp Inc, UBS AG and Societe Generale SA all recently cited policy paralysis in downgrading estimates for global recovery.
      'There is a gap between market horizons and political horizons, and the markets don't like that,' said Michala Marcussen, London-based head of economics at Societe Generale, who last month cut her forecast for growth worldwide in 2012 to 3.9 per cent from 4.6 per cent. 'Political uncertainty is at one of its highest points in 20 years.'
      Fresh tests of leadership will come this week, when US President Barack Obama speaks to a joint session of Congress on Sept 8 about his plans to increase employment and central bankers and finance ministers from the Group of Seven nations meet on Sept 9-10 in Marseille, France.
      The dithering shows how economies are still reeling from the aftershocks of the financial crisis and is a far cry from when policy makers united in late-2008 and 2009 to shore up the global banking system and arrest economic decline.
      Elections in the next two years may prompt politicians to delay painful action such as budget cuts, said Tina Fordham, Citigroup's senior global political analyst in London. France holds its presidential contest in May, the US follows in November and Germany, Japan and Italy vote in 2013.
      'G-7 politicians' willingness to undertake pre-emptive action to curtail risks is extremely limited and will remain so for an extended period,' Ms Fordham said.
      Financial markets nevertheless should benefit if officials are able to agree upon and implement strategies to address the world economy's ills, said Jim O'Neill, chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management in London.
      Global equity markets lost about US$4 trillion in August, and US Treasuries posted their biggest monthly gain since December 2008, as political disputes fuelled concerns of a relapse into recession.
      In the US, Mr Obama and Congressional Republicans agreed to a plan that raises the debt ceiling only after months of negotiations. More than a quarter of Republicans in the House of Representatives still voted against the compromise.
      In Europe, officials still are fighting over the details of a plan they unveiled more than six weeks ago aimed at bailing out Greece and defusing the region's nearly three-year-old crisis.
      In Japan, Yoshihiko Noda last week became the country's sixth prime minister in five years. He faces a debate about raising taxes to pay for reconstruction from the March earthquake and tsunami, and whether this would hinder efforts to revive an economy that's shrunk for the past three quarters and is beset by deflationary trends.
      Policy makers now have less scope to act than they did during the credit crisis and subsequent recession, sharpening divisions about what to do next. Interest rates are at or near record lows,
      • goh69 8 months ago
        Tell us your point, don't just copy something from a publication without comment.
      • Hoon Loon Goh 8 months ago
        goh69 忧患意识is the point.
    • See Toh Hiap Seng  •  8 months ago
      TO MR GERARD EE & MERCER HR CONSULTANTS
      IN VIEW OF ALL THE DIVIDEs FROM SALARY TO BONUS, PENSION TO FREE HEALTHCARE AND POLITICAL TO NATIONAL, PLEASE LOOK INTO THE FOLLOWING COLLECTIVELY KNOWN AS "THE AFFECTIVE DIVIDE" :-

      Salary + 13th-mth-NPAA + 12-mth-Performance-Bonus + 8-mth-GDP-Bonus = 33 months

      Monthly Pensions were "previously taxable" under Secion 10(1)(e) of the Income Tax Act.

      Whether "Lump-Sums" in Multi/Tens of $Millions received are taxable under Section 10(1)(b).

      If not taxable, these sums are like "Bonus Tax Refunds" charged to the Consolidated Fund,

      This would effectively make all Pensionable Elites exempt from Income Tax & Other Taxes.

      For high earners to pay Income Tax is a Cardinal Virtue. Not paying tax is a Cardinal Sin.

      Even the poor whose personal reliefs exceed income, still pay GST and other Govt. charges.

      Even Estate Duty being a means of "Redistributing Wealth" is now extinct and why???

      FINALLY, PLEASE LOOK INTO SECTION 96 OF THE INCOME TAX ACT CONCERNING :-

      Wilfully with intent to evade or to assist any other person to evade Income Tax
      (The non-taxable lump-sums in multi/tens of $millions wipe out all income tax paid upfront. So who was/were "wilfully with intent to evade and/or to assist in evasion of tax via the abuse of power and laws too. I leave it to all of you to nip the problem(s) in the bud(s). Since all of you are remunerated with taxpayers' monies, all of you are expected to do a complete and professional job.)

      Lump sums in multi/tens of $millions and payable upon retirement are likely not declared in the Income Tax Returns simply because of the current on-line direct filing linking MOF with Iras. This non-declaration may implicate The President, Council of Presidential Advisers, PMO, MOF, MOL, PSD, Parliament, Iras, Attorney-General, Auditor-General, Accountant-General, CPIB and others directly or indirectly involved.

      Please pay attention to the words : "make use of any fraud, art or contrivance" and all the penallties, fines and imprisonment notwithstanding the fact that this is "Done Legally".

      The foregoing could be "UNIQUELY SINGAPORE @ THE GREATEST S'PORE SHAME",
      • See Toh Hiap Seng 8 months ago
        NB : TO GERARD EE & MERCER HR CONSULTANTS
        Also look into other taxable perquisistes, if any, including free healthcare and tax remissions. All of you can consider me as a "Complainant turn Whistle-Blower" and because of PAP Govt's arrogance and its refusal to admit just one mistake.
      • See Toh Hiap Seng 8 months ago
        NB : TO MR GERARD EE & MERCER HR CONSULTANTS
        Also consider "all the various step-by-step timing or sequence" relating to the passing of tax-exemption laws and the withdrawal of entitlements to Pension and Free Healthcare for all Members of Parliament after the 1994 amendments to the Parliamentary Pensions Act. Thank You Mr Gerard Ee & Mercer HR Consultants.
      • See Toh Hiap Seng 8 months ago
        NB : TO MR GERARD EE & MERCER HR CONSULTANTS
        According to Mr Lee Kuan Yew : "Entitlements once given cannot be taken back." In other words, all entitlements are "contractual" and if so, such gains or profits from employment should be taxable under Section 10(1)(b) unless all of you think otherwise. But alas, Pension and Free Healthcare accorded to Divisions 3 and 4 civil servants at the time of emplacement on the Pensionable Establishment, even though "irrevocable" were taken back by short-changing and cheating. MOF's circular stated categorically : "Either Pension or CPF". This circular should state : "Either Retirement Gratuity + Monthly Reduced Pension to Full Pension + Free Retirement Healthcare or CPF Only". As for those who opted for CPF thinking they could withdraw one-lump-sum at 55, they were further cheated when those who remained on Pension Scheme got another additional "CPF contribution by employer". The 103 civil servants who went to court to get back their Pension + Free Healthcare entitlements lost their case. Attorney-General used Contract laws (Under 21 & Above 21), i.e. to give back Pension and Free Healthcare rights to those who opted for CPF when they were under 21 at the time of exercising their options. To me, this is another PAP Govt's blunder and as good as saying :-
        If under 21, you are cheated and you get back your Pension and Free Healthcare.
        If over 21, you are not cheated and you cannot get back your entitlements.
        This contradicted what LKY said : "Entitlements once given cannot be taken back." In fact, all appointment letters had stated : "Pension is irrevocable".

        This "Under 21 & Above 21 Ruling" can open up many Pandora's Boxes as many scholarship bonds were signed by those who were below 21. So all such bond-breakers who had paid compensation can now consult their lawyers as to whether Attorney-General's "Ruling of Under 21 & Above 21" can be used as a legal precedent to recover compensation monies paid at the time of breaking bond.
    • Johnnie Walker  •  8 months ago
      it is best that the security and intelligence people spend more time scrutinizing, screening and monitoring New Citizens who will and have been appointed as MPs, sensitive posts etc .........my concern for my country is that one of these days....the New Citizens will sell out our country and people.....also spend more time at ground to identify enclaves of New Citizens and immigrants who may be agent provocateurs....go deep into the ground to study carefully......if there are other repeat of those big gatherings of FT such as what happened outside MOM before....not good sign for our country's security...what are then the security measures in place if there are riots involving Fts etc such as those which happened in other countries ?
      • A Yahoo! User 8 months ago
        Don't you worry yourself so, Mr Jonny Walker. Those who have ears to hear will hear. When it comes to foreigners I worry that some of their incompetence will add to the local one. I already see the signs in the past elections.
      • Sppp 8 months ago
        Best whisky I've ever tasted before. Best and well said in JB and BINTAM and yet to come to Singapore market to producing undivided wine and whisky, said intoxicated CHIMPANLEE. Not to worry, ISD would not fail their mission possible. But, end of the day everyone still sitting and waiting for something to happen. Only the rich people would never fear as they are rooted into the hardened soil of the little red dot. As for the poor, they will ask the Sky for an answer... what to do next as political divides between classes. I quote "the way the economy is going, and what opportunities there are for different groups of people." There will be no heaven and hell that for sure and do not worry. The answer would be a quick response from the one that initial rhyme. NATO! :)
      • Johnnie Walker 8 months ago
        Dear Sppp, i notice your replies to my other postings have basis....how to get in touch with you ?
    • Johnnie Walker  •  8 months ago
      if you go to the ground to observe and study these New Citizens, their loyalty and motives carefully, i shudder to think about long term implications especially of our country's and local's interest and security carefully....MIW has sacrificed long term interest for short term short sighted gain of economic growth at all cost by New Citizens and immigrants....mark my word carefully ......there will be problems by these people in the horizon....better study how countries such as UK, Dubai, UAE etc deal with the immigrants' problems....
      • clay 8 months ago
        so what is your version of long term interest?
      • green lantern 8 months ago
        Dear Clay,
        Perhaps the millionaire-ministers of PAP should be able to answer your question, that's what they are paid to do.
    • Water Smooth  •  8 months ago
      满招损, 谦受益!
      一个时代有一个时代的因缘. 国家富强不是个人而是团队的付出和贡献, 加上天和地利的时机. 老李只不过是团队其中的成员, 扮演其中的一个角色. 扩大视野看天下, 看看世界, 看看亚洲, 新加坡是唯一取得进展的国家吗? 治国的难度, 新加坡会比中国, 日本难吗?
      人不可夜郎自大, 把自己捧上天. 老李治国虽有一定的成就, 但待人无情, 手段毒辣, 功过相低, 对入世法梢微略知, 对出世法一窍不通, 最终是个平淡无奇的众生!
    • Johnnie Walker  •  8 months ago
      How many New Citizens and how many civil servants make up the 60% GE vote for MIW ? how many of local make up the 40% GE vote for non MIW ? i believe a detailed analysis will be telling and provides compelling why gahment is pushing for more New Citizens ....to shore up faltering support for MIW at home....in the end, country as a whole will be plucked as how many New Citizens are truly loyal to our country and will lay down their lives when the crunch comes ? Many New Citizens will disappear from here at the first sign of trouble here
    • Lionhearted  •  8 months ago
      it will be interesting to search into history if there was another city state similiar to the little Red Dot, no natural resources,no nothing only human resources and strategic location. How they developed and how/why they vanished.It should tell us a lot if there is really such a country that exist in history.Please you well informed Historians out there.
    • leo2011  •  8 months ago
      This PAP govt only care about country's performance and growth, they never care whether the average population can catch up or not, suffer or not, enough or not. Hope this PAP govt will lose many MPs in the next election or else they never wake up or listen to the people.
    • TUAKEE  •  8 months ago
      今仔日风真透 头家的面臭臭
      代志嘛抹讲介大条 啊著烦恼假强要挡抹条
      今仔日风真透 春我这颗愿头
      代志是永远做抹了 薪水总是嫌无够
      有人讲人生在世 何必来怨命
      好额穷赤拢是 勤俭甲并惰
      等甲有一天 我来做主官
      一定做甲畅甲抽甲爽甲饮甲醉甲妆甲水
    • fang  •  8 months ago
      great!! that means hougang people might get hdb upgrading afterall.

      that means Aljunied should have no problem with PA site.

      that means opposition wards will continue to have bus service, mrt service,
      public schools .
    • peter  •  8 months ago
      "CAN'T BE HELP". WE LOVE TO BE DIVIDED.
    • Silent  •  8 months ago
      Tell you what guys, think we need the Italian PM, super handsome but make sure you dont have a pretty young daughter haha

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