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    Should an SIA Girl sleep among passenger seats?

    A traveller was surprised to see SQ flight attendants resting in the passenger area. (Yahoo! photo)A traveller was surprised to see SQ flight attendants resting in the passenger area. (Yahoo! photo)Have you come across an SIA  (Singapore Airlines) girl sleeping beside you on a long-haul flight? If you have, you weren't dreaming, because she was probably taking a break.

    That was what one traveller, who wanted to be known as Tan, found out after he saw some Singapore Airlines (SIA) flight attendants resting in the last few rows of the economy-class seats on his flight back to Singapore from Christchurch, New Zealand

    "I was on a long flight back, about nine hours, and I was amazed to see the stewardesses on the flight take their rest among the passengers.

    "Despite this, some passengers kept asking them for drinks even though they were clearly on their break," Tan told The New Paper.

    He also questioned why the crew was not given a private rest area away from the view of other passengers.

    It is understood that there are no bunks for in-flight crew onboard some SIA flights to and from Christchurch and Auckland as the aircraft used for the flights -- a variant of the Boeing 777 -- do not come with crew bunks. That has been the situation since last July.

    SIA spokesman Nicholas Ionides said the absence of bunks on these flights was in line with guidelines set by the Air Operator Certificate Requirements. It states that rest is only mandatory for cabin crew members who are on duty for 14 hours or more.

    "Notwithstanding that, we set aside a block of economy-class seats on medium-haul flights on the particular aircraft type for our crew to rest during breaks," added Ionides.

    On such flights, six economy-class seats are set aside for the crew members to rest. On average, SIA has 14 to 15 cabin crew members and three cockpit on a flight.

    However, the airline did not comment on why crew bunks were no longer provided for those working that particular route.

    Meanwhile, image consultant Elaine Heng said that the sight of the crew sleeping could adversely impact the airline's branding and image.

    "The crew represents the airline. They're expected to be well groomed and professional, but you can't do that when told to sleep and rest in full view of the passengers," she added.

    Flight attendants who spoke to the same paper said that such situations create an awkward environment between crew and passengers. One crew said the rest seats are marked only by a red sticker.

    "Most times, passengers don't even know what the red stickers mean and some passengers get annoyed when we tell them those seats are meant for cabin crew use," he said.

    Another flight attendant lamented that because they are resting in the cabin, passengers would still approach them for service.

    "I rest very little during these flights, which is exhausting, considering the journey to Auckland is nearly 10 hours," she said.

    One brand consultant, who declined to be named, said the response from the flight attendants reflect the need for private rest facilities.

    Passengers may not know the attendants are on their breaks, and this could lead to the perception that flight attendants are sleeping on the job.

    Regular SIA passenger Dexter Ng, 23, told Yahoo! Singapore the crew should not be blamed in this case.

    "From a humane point of view, it is understandable for them to rest because it can get pretty exhausting.

    "But it is up to the management to provide them a private resting area because it will create an impression that the flight attendants are unprofessional," he said.

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    515 comments

    • jonny  •  11 months ago
      If their are no bunks available on this specific aircraft type, SQ should at least separate these seats with curtains to give the crew some private space during their break.
      Its the last row anyway so this should be an easy fix.
      • prettyunknown 11 months ago
        i certainly agree with you, but guess what, somehow this well-known airline seems to do anything that will save costs for their crews. hahaa..
      • mac12 11 months ago
        With SQ operating various segments of long and short flight sectors, it had been determined that planes flying short sector need not be equipped with crew rest facilities. Prior to the existence of crew bunks configured to the aircraft, passenger seats had been requisitioned whenever the necessity arises in the past and that policy is still currently been in force in the absence of crew rest facilities. Sometimes due to the shortage of aircraft for various operational reasons, aircraft normally used for short distance are taken for use (most SQ aircrafts are acquired for their distance and fuel economy). Perhaps in this and many others, certain exigencies made the use of these aircrafts necessary and they had to go without the mandatory crew rest facilities since they are not 'built into', requiring the use of passenger seats as under aviation rules. As was in the past, just a sticker pasted on the seat rest denoting 'crew rest only' is left there. Sometimes passengers will rushed for these seats even though some of them are regular passengers and some willl get upset when informed by crew what the notice meant. @prettyunknown, as to your insinuation that the airline will go to any cost to save does not really apply here as it is known that the destination where it was flying to is always 'full' and the loss of about 6 seats on a daily basis if the same aircraft is used can be detrimental to the bottom line if operated on a long term basis and I guessed that it could have just been a 'one off incident', which is why it was brought up to this channel as it does not seemed to be the 'norm'. Prior to the installation of the crew rest facilities on some aircraft, this had always been the way that the crew were given their rest as stipulated in the aviation laws, nothing untowards except perhaps for the inquisitiveness and maybe concern of the passenger who brought it up in the first place...with the lesser oxygen flow necessitated during flight, the crew feel the same effect as do the passengers who have the luxury to rest in their seats ( they paid for them) and they too needed some kind of rest, which in this case came in the form of empty (requisitioned) seats.......
      • Peter 11 months ago
        Yes a curtsin is a must to separate them, SIA should not save this type of money.
    • Aishah  •  11 months ago
      As passengers we too should be considerate. If we see them fast asleep, we definitely know they are taking a break. So, ask for assistance from the others who are on duty. And I agree with i-mus-say-it only snobs will make a big issue out of this.
      • Observer Tan 11 months ago
        Should an SIA girl sleep among passenger seats? No, the SIA girl should sleep with passengers in their seats and only if the passengers want it because seriously, the standard of SIA girls has dropped to a point where I am not sure I want to sleep with any of them.
      • DarkForce 11 months ago
        Many passengers thought they paid for the high fare n shd get the service fm any crew, even their break time.

        Why cant the airlines made them a blazer or shawl to cover their uniform when they taking their rest... and any passenger asking for service to get ON DUTY crews to attend to them instead ??

        @OT.... Do you notice the crew seats are 90degree up and cant even declined for resting ?? Please use ur common sense if you wanna get such seat for rest....
      • Optimus 11 months ago
        Observer Tan

        Even if you think that the standard have drop, don't think they would want to sleep with you. Sour grape. The primary duty is to look after the safety and well being of the pax. If you are refering to look, would you like someone that look fantastic but can't do a thing when your life is in danger?
    • Bubblegum  •  11 months ago
      "SIA spokesman Nicholas Ionides said the absence of bunks on these flights was in line with guidelines set by the Air Operator Certificate Requirements. It states that rest is only mandatory for cabin crew members who are on duty for 14 hours or more."

      Guidelines are guidelines, if you are a company that's has the welfare of your employees at heart, you will do more for your crew to get decent rest in the bunk! Not just follow guidelines and provide the minimum. Believe the senior executives in SIA will travel on 1st or Business class for more than 8 hours flight, why not decent bunk for your crews?
      • miss c.c 11 months ago
        it feels really good to see your comment. thanks! =)
      • mac12 11 months ago
        @ah seng, just got one question for you.....ever seen in the list of the top twenty companies in Singapore that placed welfare for their staff in the top category, ever seen SQ being in that list, no? maybe that answer your question...right!.
        @cabin crew,sorry for your plight, been one, been there, seen that and done that, will always remembered what it was all for.....
      • Lmn Little 11 months ago
        Coccoon12,
        pity u weren't a whistle blower when u were one of them. Need more whistle blowers like the current report, otherwise nobody will know of the plight of the crew
    • DOGGIE DOG  •  11 months ago
      This Tan fellow is too much,bloody ungrateful fellow why dont you try working 10 to 12 hours non stop see if you wont be tired
      • derek 11 months ago
        The Tan fellow is asking why are the crew not given a private rest area so that passengers do not disturb them during their break.

        Read properly first!
      • BanzEE 11 months ago
        @ Derek
        Agreed with you totally. Some ppl just read blindly focusing on the headlines, without understanding the contents of the text and start shooting off their mouths with criticisms .... sigh.
      • stephanie 11 months ago
        Agree with Derek, Banzee.......learn to read and understand.....in fact it is very kind of him to highlight the crew's plight !!
    • Red Lion  •  11 months ago
      Air crews have a very demanding job, especially on long haul flights ! If the airline expects cabin crew to smile all the way -- they should take proper care of their staff and provide adequate facilities on board ! Again Top Management failures when configuring an aircraft !!! Decent resting places for crews should be adamant on long haul airplanes. As a frequent flyer, I would not expect them to rest on last row seats beside washrooms !
      • mac12 11 months ago
        @Red Lion, sorry to jar your expectations, though you're correct in saying that air crew have a demanding job to do, both on short and long haul. I believed SQ does a pretty good job at times in retrofitting its aircraft(not all) with crew rest facilities(CRF) but being an airline that catered to both short and long haul sectors, there must be some kind of rationale behind their policies to fit their respective aricrafts with CRF. Most of SQ's aircraft if not all are bought for their middle to long range though several are used for short hauls. When a plane is utilised for short haul, there is no necessity for it to be fitted thus. as a CRF weighed around 1000kgs (removeable pallets). Imagine the amount of fuel( really expensive at today's price - aviation fuel cost more than the petrol to power your car) that is needed to ferry it around when it is not in use. As expected, being a quasi-private company, it has to look at the bottom line. I believed that in this particular case, and maybe some others, an aircraft designated for a 'short haul route' had been requisitioned to fly the alternative long route with the result that necessitated the use of passenger seats as CRF seats. However given the way an 'outsider like Tan' looked at it, it may have seemed to him that it might be a little 'indignified and unjustified' for the crew to rest in such passenger seats......or maybe it was to bring up a non-issue as he might have wanted to covert such seats for himself........and could not....because of the crew's presence.
      • whybother 11 months ago
        well said!
      • neighborhood 11 months ago
        @Coccoon12, sorry to interrupt, though the intended short houl route aircraft shouldn't be requisitioned to fly the alternative long route after all. So far, SQ built their brand and image for that long, and flight routes shouldn't be problem in frequent. Just my opinion. :)
    • roundfield1992  •  11 months ago
      How does SIA tolerate Nicholas Ionides? When a spokeman has to seek comfort in rules and regulations without a care for what is actually happening, he is a typical yes man. Heard that before? A yes man. Wake up Nicholas and come up with solutions.
    • GET REAL.  •  11 months ago
      SIA spokesman Nicholas Ionides said the absence of bunks on these flights was in line with guidelines set by the Air Operator Certificate Requirements. It states that rest is only mandatory for cabin crew members who are on duty for 14 hours or more.

      Mr Tan has done the crew a favour by highlighting this issue. What surprises me is while there may be "regulatory guidelines" to follow depending on the number of hours, has anyone of the Management thought of having curtain rails with curtains drawn when the crew are resting. I am sure there would be no issue on the regulatory part which is better than having the crew resting next to passengers with passengers asking for service at the drop of the hat? These crew members including the pilots are NOT robots and policy makers must ensure their welfare is looked after. 14 hours before they can rest? Whoever drafted this rule is an inconsiderate team of idiots. I travelled to New Zealand fairly frequently in the past and (until they stop flying to Christchurch ex Singapore) noticed that even on a 767 aircraft, Air New Zealand has got a cute bunk made up for the crew to take rotative rest, SQ should learn from them. Remember it is the crew who brought SIA to where it is today NOT pen pushers.
    • Biggie  •  11 months ago
      if u cant provide the resting area, at least for the last few seat indicate clearly with signage and curtain the area at least its not too open when the crew are resting.
    • The Great One  •  11 months ago
      wats the BIG issue?!?!
      they are also humans!! cannot rest meh?
      if don have a proper place to rest and got enough seats left, why not??!!
      a bit a bit also go into news!!

      for those who think is inapporiate: if your daughters or your wives are one of them? how will you feel?
      sleep la!!
    • Richard  •  11 months ago
      Flight crew are also humans... they are not your maids-in-the-air !

      But why does SQ not configure a plane accordingly. Obviously for cost cutting reasons. For goodness sake, you want to save cost or you want to protect a brand image you've painstakingly built over the years.

      Why not have SQ CEO sit in economy? Sure to save lots of $$$$
    • Michael Luke  •  11 months ago
      The reasons why the crew are seen resting on the seats are because the company is trying too hard to save cost by using planes that are not equipped with suitable resting facilities and placing minimum crew on long-haul flights. Simple solution - be contented with the billions of net profits without pushing on the bottom line too far but dedicate more budgets into crew's welfare and at the same that will also upkeeps the branding image of the company.
    • Comments Addict  •  11 months ago
      Only snobs will make an issue out of this.
    • its all a show  •  11 months ago
      Finally..a member of the public has brought up an issue that has shown the 'welfare' of SIA management.The famous SIA girl in the iconic sarong kebaya resting amongst fare paying passengers.According to its spokesman,it is not mandatory for its crew to rest unless they operate 14 hours and above.Is that 'welfare' of the best airline,more like squeezing every ounce of ener---- to make them most productive.Flights to New Zealand are about 9-10 hrs.Crew also have to report 1-2 hours before the flight departs.If SIA continues this practice with its staff,it will have effects on its crew morale,thus affecting the service delivered to its fare paying passengers who pay a premium to travel SQ.Wake up management!....You sleep on your comfortable bed every night.
    • OneNation  •  11 months ago
      Whoever take the picture of the SIA crew sleeping is a busy body and a very low class individual.

      I hope i never ever have the luck to bump into her in my lifetime.
      Pity her friends and those who konw or work with her !!!
    • Tan Seok Gek  •  11 months ago
      Typical SQ wanting to create the best image and branding yet can't provide best welfare for the crew.! Even resting on the seats can't provide quality rest! All the effort of creating the best brand image will be futile if it can't even provide welfare for its valuable assets which undeniably are the crew!
    • Grace  •  11 months ago
      @Tan: you only paid for a seat, not buying the entire plane or airline.
    • Justice  •  11 months ago
      Be human ,let them rest,
    • Mushroom  •  11 months ago
      SIA is so proud of being given many No. 1 among world class international airlines. Now with this (although) minor adverse media report, SIA's image is tarnished.. SIA's management is to be blamed.. This time round just see who is going to say sorry..
    • Lim T  •  11 months ago
      i feel that it is ok to have crew members to join the passenger in the same seating area to take a break. They are also human and u can't possibily ask them to hide at the pantry and take a break, its very unhumanly. I remember once i was on a long haul flight from San Francisco to Singapore and I can't find an air stewardess on duty as most of them are hiding at the pantry to take their meals, I felt very guilty when I ask for a drink from them as I understand they are having their meal breaks but can't be help my mum is coughing all the way. Therefore, I think that if there is no need for a service from the crew member, we should try to avoid disturbing them during their breaks. I understand that some crew member flew quite a few flights in a week therefore they will feel tired and need rest
    • miss c.c  •  11 months ago
      i am working in the company, and this is one of the main reasons why it can be a dreadful flight. the airline used to fly better aircrafts with comfy seats and good entertainment systems on the Auckland route. similarly for the Christchurch routes, the planes are equipped with bunks in a private area for crew to rest. it was speculated that the change of aircrafts were due to the cost cutting measures in the company.

      it is mandatory that we rest for a certain period of time, so that we are able to stay focus and awake during crucial phases of the flights. how much time we rest, depends on the flight time.

      the reasons why some girls chose not to change during their rest periods is because of the hassle. more often than not the rest periods on the NZ routes is only 45 mins. to que up for the toilets to change in and out of the uniforms will easily take up 15 mins.

      i can understand that the passengers do not understand why the cabin crew are seen sleeping in the cabin, and i believe my fellow colleagues are very appreciative to mr tan for bringing this issue up. since the Singapore Girl is all about image and branding, isnt it contradicting that they can sleep in the public (we all know most of us dont look good when we're asleep), yet restricted to doing a lot of other things (like smoking, talking on the phone) in public?

      just sharing my thoughts as a cabin crew. =)

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