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    Police probe SDP forum involving exiled ISA detainees

    A forum organised by the Singapore Democratic Party (SDP) where two former Internal Security Act (ISA) detainees spoke via teleconference is being investigated by the police.

    According to local media, the police is investigating whether the law has been breached by the SDP.

    In response to media queries, the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) said on Sunday that the forum organisers had arranged for “a fugitive from justice”, referring to Francis Seow, 83, and “a foreign national”, in reference to Tang Fong Har, 55, to participate in a discussion on domestic politics.
     
    The ministry added that the SDP had arranged for Seow and Tang to participate in the forum from outside the country’s jurisdiction, allowing them to be “involved in domestic politics at a public assembly in Singapore without being physically present and accountable”.

    Exiled ISA detainees speak up on Skype

    For the first time in more than two decades, the two fugitive lawyers residing overseas interacted with members of the public here over Skype on Saturday.
     
    Former solicitor-general Seow, now a U.S. citizen, and lawyer Tang, who holds a Hong Kong passport, were Singapore citizens and both in the Singapore Law Society during Seow’s tenure as its president in 1986.
     
    Speaking from Massachusetts and Hong Kong respectively, Seow and Tang met and spoke to about 120 members of the public at the Quality Hotel in Balestier for an hour each, sharing parts of their experience in detention, and fielding questions about the ISA.

    Seow was initially detained under the ISA in 1988 after criticising the government's implementation of legislation without sufficient parliamentary debate, seeking to reinstate the Law Society’s authority to comment on new laws before they were approved.
     
    He was arrested on accusations of receiving large sums of money from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), and travelled to America in the same year ahead of a trial on charges of tax evasion, for which he was convicted in his absence. He now has a warrant of arrest awaiting his return.
     
    Tang was initially detained with 21 others in 1987’s Operation Spectrum, in which authorities accused her and the others of being members of a Marxist conspiracy bent on subverting the ruling People’s Action Party (PAP) government by force, to replace it with a Marxist state.
     
    In the wake of their release, Tang was among a number of detainees who issued a statement declaring that they had been tortured while in custody, despite denial from the Internal Security Department (ISD), which enforces the ISA.
     
    She was then supposed to be re-arrested together with the other signatories of the statement, but happened to be in Hong Kong at the time, and so has not been able to return ever since.
     
    Seow was asked questions about possible laws that could be implemented as an alternative to the ISA, arguments put forward in support of the act, and about the stability of the judiciary in supporting a change in these laws.
     
    In response, he said that sans the ISA, Singapore’s existing set of statutes had “enough laws to handle every conceivable situation”, and added that he had also lost faith in our country’s judiciary, particularly with regard to cases that could carry political bias of any kind.
     
    “I would say the politics of the situation is such that it does not give the average litigant great confidence in how his case is going to be held… That is the sad thing about Singapore. We had a wonderful judiciary but all that is gone,” he said.
     
    “If it’s non-political, I think you could get a fair chance at a trial. If it’s got any political bias, you can forget it, you are not going to win.”
     
    Turning to the continued existence of the ISA, Seow offered an explanation.
     
    “It (the ISA) suits the authorities because it helps to perpetuate their regime,” he said. “As far as I’m concerned, whether or not you have the ISA doesn’t really matter because there are sufficient laws to enable public order to be maintained.”
     
    Responding to a question about the arguments brought forward in support of the act, Seow said, “In one sentence, they’re (the arguments in support of the ISA) all nonsense. And I hope you don’t believe that what the authorities say is so.
     
    “I’ve worked with (Lee Kuan Yew) for many many years, and I know how the man thinks… given half the chance, he will manipulate you all again,” he added.
     
    When asked about the possibility of rallying for a board of inquiry to be set up to investigate the arrests made under the ISA, Seow was blunt in his reply.
     
    “We should not waste time like that,” he said. “The way I see it, you’ll just be whistling in the dark, you know? It’s not going to happen. It’s wishful thinking. Let’s be practical.”
     
    Tang broke down in tears while sharing her experience of having to renounce her Singapore citizenship and apply for a Hong Kong passport, after she was denied return to Singapore apart from a one-way ticket for questioning by the ISD.
     
    “I have always wanted to come home,” she said tearfully, adding that she had not seen her family since being unable to return to Singapore.
     
    She also shared that an upcoming birthday celebration for her mother in Johor will be the first time she is meeting them since leaving Singapore.
     
    Yet, Tang says she does not regret her involvement in the activities of the Law Society in the late 1980s.
     
    “No, I have never regretted what I have done in the 80s,” she said. “What I regret was that I’ve probably done too little. If anything, I should have done more,” she added, to applause from those in attendance.
     
    When asked for her thoughts about the general election, Tang said she was pleasantly surprised by the “upsurge of enthusiasm and awareness” among youth in Singapore, in particular. “They seem to be so much more outspoken than us,” she remarked, recognising the power of the Internet and voicing her hopes that things will improve further.
     
    Tang was also asked about her thoughts on the cause she was involved in — to restore the authority that the Law Society used to have in advising the government about legislation — and she responded that she still believes that it stands.
     
    “The Law Society should have a duty to speak on legislation,” she said.
     
    Tang also reiterated that she stands by the statement that she and her fellow detainees issued in April 1988. “Charge us in a court of law, produce the evidence… then let us have a fair defence; let us have our say in court,” she said. “The government… does not have the guts to do this because there is no conspiracy of any kind. The only conspiracy is the one instigated by the government against us.”
     
    She revealed that Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam was also brought in for questioning at the ISD for several days before, and that she asked him to “have the courage to look into it, as he was almost a victim himself during that period”.
     
    “We will keep at it… at the end of the day, I think I have done right by Singapore, by my family and by my friends.”

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    273 comments

    • beggardog  •  7 months ago
      for the side of law, i feel they really have sacrificed; the rest to the beholder,
    • Black Knight  •  7 months ago
      If Marxist communist is illegal; then why Singapore has strong relationship with Marxist CHINA by investing multi billions? In the olden days during 70’s or earlier, the entire Singapore International Passport Prohibited to visit these countries that’s including Marxist China, Vietnam, and other countries.
      • Jeff D 7 months ago
        Because race is the single most defining characteristic here; if being X is more important to a large chunk of Singaporeans than being Singaporean is, then of course we'd have a strong relationship. It also can be explained by the fact that expedience and financial reward appear to be more important to some than is principle.
      • Zorro007 7 months ago
        Make laws bend laws if that what you mean?.
      • Anthony 7 months ago
        Its just a excuse. Now if they were caught, ISD would just say they are muslim terrorist. They(ISD) just say u belong to a organization very threatening to Singaporeans, so Singaporean wouldnt mind u being arrested.
    • MMS  •  7 months ago
      Let us be democratic. We are supposed to be more transparent now. You cannot expect us to know only one side of the story, let us also hear what the other side has to say. After all what the 2 ISA detainees is has to say is already a part of our history. What is the issue then? Can't the present leadership cope with it?
      • TechSavvy_Auntie 7 months ago
        Bravo MMS.. well put.
      • MODERATE 7 months ago
        CHINA is not a threat to our political party.
      • Jeff D 7 months ago
        MMS: To answer your question, rather obviously, they Have Issues with any reality that they cannot bend and twist to their whim. So did the dinosaurs.
    • Angry Bull  •  7 months ago
      The nightmare ghost is coming again to haunts the soul of pap. Scared that these 2 mundane human being from another planet will spill the beans and blow the wisel. Must be guilty of conscience, no wonder they must be eliminated at all cost by the police force. Whatever you see on movies, happened in real life. As the saying goes, do no evils, kill no evils, but those who opposed me have to go to hell. What's a destructive pap mind can do to destroy mankind? and turn it into a dark world, full of misery and no hope to survived.
    • hjh  •  7 months ago
      Francis Seow, was not from the SDP. If you were actually in AMK area, he was from the worker party, he was speaking out for the SIngaporean. But beacuse of his popularity, many ppl were with him, LKY actually issue to arrest him for "no good reason", which is plain rubbish. You all have to stay in this area to know what actually happen to this innocent man. LKY is just plain ruthless, like what he did to barisan socalis, when he knew he was to lose. U ask anyone who have have stay in AMk for more than 20 years, they would roughly know the amk story.
      • whitwite 7 months ago
        I remember when I was in secondary in AMK, there were many people supporting the party in AMK. They were all shouting, very on for the party, so he the one who cause the commontion in AMK area?
      • A Yahoo! User 7 months ago
        pap always aniah-aniah those who wanted a fairer govt to sporeans....But LK.Y. bustard these good people who wanted fairness for his own Lee Empire. How can so many educated people be wrong when seeking better alternatives for the way we sporeans lead our lives?? Lk.y. thinks he is the ONLY genious who can do best. He's wrong....Hope he turn dead meat soon. He caused a lot of miseries to his people & us sporeans with all his trillion paid monsterlets!!!. Go & die lah you old power hungry monster!
    • Self pity  •  7 months ago
      I don't care how great LKY has done for Singapore. I want to know hard truth whether these detainees are terrorists or not or they are fighting for the better of Singapore based on their own belief. Are we using the ISA wrongly? If yes then admit and change the policy. I am concerned not because of any gain but because I am SIngaporean. I need to know the Hard Truth.
      • bettero 7 months ago
        Admit? They never admit any failure or mistake. Like the flood, he said no amount of engineering or act of god, or once in 50 years.
      • beggardog 7 months ago
        this is the hard truth; that was not mentioned. something the law society, then, can do
      • SGGuard 7 months ago
        But the present regime cannot handle the truth.
    • Singapore Son  •  7 months ago
      The govt simply cannot let it go. Every single movement by any kind of opposition is a threat to national security or it's against the law etc... Feels like North Korea, but a modern version of it. They send in their own security guards - the police force to cause problems and give warning. Old habits die hard. Looks like the Police Force is pretty free to deal with this kind of things, ignoring the fact that murders are on the rise, loan-sharking is the new threat, drug use are on the increase (they even got the figures wrong!) and teen gangs are on the upswing in numbers.

      And here they are trying to bring charges to a 83 year old, ex politician, living in the US talking about his experiences during detention under a law that most democratic nations, including Malaysia, has deemed unlawful. Great Police work! thanks for nothing.
    • Angry Bull  •  7 months ago
      Pol pot kills million of their own people, so does stalin and Lenin. Pap is just the copycat of communist criminal mind. Destroyer of positive values and honesty.
    • Love the country  •  7 months ago
      The warrant of Arrest have been issued to Francis Seow and Tang Fong Har.If they come back to Singapore, the will be arrested.Will they be put to trial? If yes maybe is time for them to clear their name...
    • Irumbu Thalai  •  7 months ago
      Why investigate SDP. They are doing a good service to Sporeans to understand better about ISD or ISA and how it is exploited by the ruling party. Thank God for this is not China. We still can say and write about what is good for our country. Political criticism should not be seen as terrorism. Allow the two fugitives to stand trail instead of witch hunting the oppositon party for bringing out the truth.
    • WindsOfChange  •  7 months ago
      Respect is gain by not one's position, but the things he do and how he do it. I dun respect cowards that's for sure. Justify what you've done in court, not using ISA to send people behind bars just because he's a threat to your position/post.
      “The government… does not have the guts to do this because there is no conspiracy of any kind. The only conspiracy is the one instigated by the government against us.”
      SO PLS PROOF YOUR CASE IN COURT AND ABOLISH ISA
    • Cheers  •  7 months ago
      DONT PLAY PLAY AH PAP HAVE ALL POCKETS FULL
      RIGHT pocket MILITARY - PAPer GENERALS the most sissy generals in the world
      LEFT pocket - sleeping POLICE open window for jihardists to escape from prison
      BACK pocket - very ON ISA over nothing
      • han 7 months ago
        Rubbish
      • han 7 months ago
        Rubbish
      • CRAZY 69 7 months ago
        @han, its not rubbish, @cheers is correct,
    • bettero  •  7 months ago
      This is a strange country. Minister's pay review coming to 1 year, no sound no music. CHC investigation, almost 2 years also no sound no music. TPL breach at cooling day, so damn quickly brushed aside. Drunk angmors beating taxi also took 1 year. But coming to politics, wah piang they work so quickly. They are fast becoming big joke!!!
    • Madman  •  7 months ago
      If a man commits treason, charge him in court for treason.
    • Perseus  •  7 months ago
      I think it's time to investigate the temasek and GIC billion dollars losses as well... it should be 2 ways and not one. The Gov always trying to probe the shortfalls of others and expose them to the public but hide their big holes even though it is very apparent
    • SGGuard  •  7 months ago
      Wow, the response from the authority is really fast in this case but not others, this type of response speed will only serve to re-enforce our distrust of the gov fairness. I believes that is a matter of time before the truth will eventually be told.
    • sunvision  •  7 months ago
      So its true, PAP is still on the same old track in the modern world.
    • Unicorn  •  7 months ago
      In the olden days, ppl started the gambling of 4d. Then the "PAng Pui" govt took over, and those buying private 4d became illegal.

      When they opened up the glamorous casinos, those gambling-stands in geylang back lanes were wiped out by police over night.

      So u see, similarly, if u try to be sronger than them politically, they will sure nail u down "legally". With what? ISA lah, what else?
    • TrueSINporean  •  7 months ago
      Dr Tony Tan has said that ISA is used for purpose of terrorism. Are this ex-political detainees terrorist. Have the government proof by charging them in court. Than the government have to proof that it is NOT used against its Political opponents. We a Democratic society as indicated in our five stars and national pledge. Who is daft or dumb - government or people!
    • Evered  •  7 months ago
      The police is fast on the trial of opposition political parties which is well and good but yet they can never eradicate illegal moneylenders who are having a ball of a time hand in hand with illegal bookmakers. Not to mention the fact that casinos are operating in Singapore which means more desperate victims of these syndicates. It's my humble personal opinion that the SPF and Home Ministry have to get their act in order to salvage their creditability.

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