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    Verizon to set up streaming service with Redbox

    NEW YORK (AP) — Phone company Verizon Communications Inc. will challenge Netflix and start a video streaming service this year with Redbox and its DVD rental kiosks.

    Verizon and Coinstar Inc., Redbox's parent company, said Monday that the service will be national and available to non-Verizon customers as well. It adds another dimension to Verizon's quest to become a force in home entertainment, and it looks set to compete to some extent with the cable-TV services it already sells.

    Unlike competing services from Amazon.com Inc. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the new service will combine Internet delivery of movies with DVDs, the way Netflix does. Dish Network Corp. also offers a similar bundle through its Blockbuster subsidiary.

    Specific details and pricing of the new plan weren't announced.

    Late last year, the companies were shopping around a $6-per-month offering that would give subscribers one DVD rental from Redbox per month as well as unlimited streaming of a certain selection of movies, according to a person briefed on the plan then. The person was not authorized to speak publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

    It's not known whether the plan has changed since then, though the price is likely to be less than the $16-a-month minimum that Netflix subscribers have to pay for a combined DVD-by-mail and streaming plan.

    Although consumers would pay less, Redbox's inventory is limited to what's in its kiosks, compared with Netflix's library of more than 100,000 discs, including more obscure fare. Redbox customers will also have to go in person to pick up a disc, which saves the company mailing costs.

    Getting an extensive library of streaming content to rival Netflix's 20,000-plus titles will be expensive. The rising cost for streaming rights is the main reason that Netflix raised its U.S. prices by as much as 60 percent last year in a move that triggered a customer backlash. At the end of 2011, Netflix had video licensing commitments totaling $3.9 billion worldwide over the next several years.

    Verizon will handle the streaming negotiations, Coinstar CEO Paul Davis told analysts in a conference call held late Monday to discuss the company's fourth-quarter earnings. He declined to answer questions seeking more details about how the joint subscription service might work, citing a desire to keep things under wraps for competitive reasons. The streaming service won't be available until the final half of this year.

    Redbox, whose DVD rental kiosks are located in more than 29,000 stores, has been looking to expand into online streaming for more than a year. Its business so far has revolved around renting DVDs for as little as $1.20 per day. Along the way, Redbox says it has accumulated about 36 million email addresses from DVD and video-game renters — information that could be used to promote the new streaming service.

    Verizon has its own cable-TV service, called FiOS, in some areas. Its Verizon Wireless subsidiary has also signed a deal to sell service from Comcast Corp. and other cable TV companies in its stores. The cable-TV experience has helped Verizon establish business relationships with Hollywood studios and other content producers, something that could be an advantage in the negotiations for streaming rights.

    With the Redbox venture, Verizon is breaking ranks with the cable and satellite industry, which makes its own video streaming services available only to people who also subscribe to its traditional TV feeds. They don't want households switching to Internet-only services, which are cheaper. Netflix Inc. charges $8 per month for its streaming-only plan, for instance, while the average monthly cable bill is more than $70.

    "We've made a conscious decision to innovate and get involved with this market because it's legitimate and growing, and we think the partnership with Redbox gives us huge upside," said Bob Mudge, president of Verizon's consumer business.

    Verizon's own FiOS business is relatively small, with 4.2 million subscribers, making it the seventh-largest provider of TV signals to U.S. homes. Meanwhile, its landline phone business is shrinking, so it needs other avenues for growth. Its wireless arm is growing, but it owns only 55 percent of that venture. (Vodafone Group PLC of Britain owns the rest.)

    Netflix, which is based in Los Gatos, Calif., ended last year with 24.4 million U.S. subscribers. About 8.4 million of those customers pay for Internet streaming and Netflix's DVD-by-mail rental service.

    Verizon and Coinstar said the service is intended to give subscribers access to DVD and Blu-ray discs as well as streaming movies starting in the second half of the year. Subscribers might visit the site to find that the movie they want isn't available for streaming, but is available at a Redbox kiosk nearby, Coinstar's Davis said.

    To get people to try the service, Verizon and Redbox look set to undercut Netflix's cheapest DVD and streaming plan of $16 per month, which is 60 percent higher than its $10 monthly rate before prices went up in September.

    New York-based Verizon Communications will own 65 percent of the unnamed venture, with Bellevue, Wash.,-based Coinstar owning the rest. Redbox is contributing an initial $14 million to the venture, according to a regulatory filing. It did not say how much Verizon would contribute. The filing indicated the two companies may be called upon to contribute a combined $450 million to the venture — another indication that it will have to pay steep licensing fees.

    Coinstar's stock gained 91 cents, or 1.8 percent, to close Monday at $50.56. The stock then soared more than 16 percent in extended trading late Monday after the company reported fourth-quarter results that indicated Redbox may be picking up some of the Netflix customers who have canceled their DVD rental plans in recent months.

    Verizon shares edged up 30 cents to $38.14. After initially falling on the news, Netflix shares gained $2.82, or 2.2 percent, to $129.25.

    Netflix already has a couple of powerful competitors with video streaming services. Amazon.com provides a library of movies and TV shows to subscribers to its Amazon Prime shipping services. Wal-Mart, the world's biggest retailer, has a streaming service called Vudu. Neither offers DVD rentals.

    Netflix, though, isn't devoting much attention to its DVD rental service because it's convinced the discs are destined to become obsolete. Netflix lost 2.8 million DVD subscribers in the final three months of last year alone.

    Netflix is hoping to differentiate itself from its rivals with a larger library that is just now starting to include content that hasn't been available anywhere else. The company's streaming library consists largely of older movie shows and TV episodes from past seasons. Netflix's first original TV series, an eight-episode drama called "Lilyhammer," debuted Monday. Other original TV series are coming in an attempt to make Netflix more competitive with Time Warner Inc.'s pay-TV channel HBO.

    The additional competition in Internet streaming comes as Netflix recovers from the customers losses it absorbed last year following its price increase and a botched plan to spin off its DVD service into a separate website.

    Redbox now claims to be the biggest DVD rental service in the country.

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    AP Technology Writers Michael Liedtke in San Francisco and Ryan Nakashima in Los Angeles contributed to this report.

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    30 comments

    • KingEdward  •  3 months ago
      To me, this is the key sentence: " Subscribers might visit the site to find that the movie they want isn't available for streaming, but is available at a Redbox kiosk nearby". Let me tell you, this will FAIL big time if new movies are not available. Why would I even use the service if i keep getting that message? I wouldn't. Epic fail...
    • William S  •  Las Vegas, United States  •  3 months ago
      Verizon is way too expensive!
    • 308  •  3 months ago
      Problem with all of them is they sell a bunch on sh. it movies that weren't good the first time they were released. It needs to be like itunes were you can watch anything.
    • Anthonius  •  3 months ago
      Doesn't mention that Netflix is about to lose a HUGE part of its streaming content when the contract with STARZ ends in March 2012.
      • ScottZ 3 months ago
        And somehow you think an article about Verizon and Redbox should mention this about Netflix? I have watched zero Starz content in the past 6 months. I have no problem with Netflix shedding content as long as they continue to gain content.
    • Dirk  •  3 months ago
      "Although consumers would pay less, Redbox's inventory is limited to what's in its kiosks, compared with Netflix's library of more than 100,000 discs, including more obscure fare. Redbox customers will also have to go in person to pick up a disc, which saves the company mailing costs."

      Oh. So it's like Netflix DVD by mail service...but without the DVDs. And without the mail.
      • ScottZ 3 months ago
        I agree. If Verizon/Redbox make a similar priced product with inferior inventory, they are doomed! Their is a big difference between 1 Redbox/mo from the limited selection and unlimited 1-at-a-time DVD by mail from a selection of 100k movies.
    • John H  •  3 months ago
      There is only one way that streaming will take over renting. New movies need to be available at a good price. I have Netflix but hardly ever watch it because their streaming selection is terrible. But my daughter likes to watch all the disney and nickolodean shows so that's the only reason I do not cancel. I use Redbox for newer movies and for $1.00 a night it seems fair. If anybody could come up with a streaming service that had movies that were still relatively new they would make a bundle but only if the price point is like Redbox. I see no reason to pay $5 for on demand from my cable provider for any movie because I know in 6 months that same movie will be in the bargain bin for $5.00 or less at my local Walmart.
    • ElGatoMagnifico  •  3 months ago
      All these guys have these different models for delivering basically the same content. I am sure that I can speak for ALL consumers in that I will buy whatever delivers the content I want, as often as I want it, for the lowest price.

      As for Premium Cable, aside from an occasional series, available later elsewhere, the only movies listed are ones I've already seen when they were first released. No money for you today!
    • DarrenD  •  3 months ago
      Verizon sucks!
    • Eric  •  3 months ago
      Netflix validated. BTW Verizon, good luck creating a worthwhile streaming service, but if your phone apps are any indication of what you will create I wont be buying.
    • COFLZephyr  •  3 months ago
      Initially this made no business sense to me then it became clear. The internet service providers (Verizon, Comcast, etc.) provide the distribution system for Netflex but receive no incremental revenue for it. You download the movie or live stream it using up bandwidth but most likely have unlimited cable so Netflix gets the revenue and the ISP gets zip and has bandwidth used up. This model would result in some revenue sharing for the ISP that right now is a giveaway for them to Netflix. Used to be the distribution system was the Blockbuster store, Hollywood video store or the red boxes. If those go away the ISP is the distribution system. Not sure it is a great business fit and may not make sense long term but I can see the where this is coming from.
      • ElGatoMagnifico 3 months ago
        The ISP normally just provides access. They are not entitled to price the content. They are only entitled to a price for the connection.
      • ScottZ 3 months ago
        Netflix pays for its ISP(/CDN) for bandwidth, the Netflix subscriber pays their ISP for bandwidth. Nobody is getting bandwidth for free, in both cases the ISPs are being paid for bandwidth.
    • Ken M  •  New York, United States  •  3 months ago
      the first micro-chip was bigger than a truck, now theyre smaller than a tomato imagine what the future holds
    • Arvid  •  3 months ago
      Just shows you that Netflix was ahead of the game and everybody got upset abut nothing except for the fact that Netflix not having a big enough library for the streaming service.
    • Zippy  •  3 months ago
      Good luck with that!
      • Pasco 3 months ago
        People used to think the world was flat too...so what can stop Verizon from moving forward with this?...streaming is the future, and the streaming service offered by Netflix outpaces their DVD by mail subscription by 2:1. People can stream on their tablets and notebooks and that's what they want.
    • T  •  Minneapolis, United States  •  3 months ago
      Netflix is losing the Starz movies (only movies worth a #$%$ this week. I'm canceling my subscription the day it's gone. This won't be any better. There just going to pay a bunch of money for the same movies. WE'VE ALL SEEN THEM GET SOMETHING NEW!!!
      • ElGatoMagnifico 3 months ago
        You must be a Republican. You don't know what it is, but if it's different, it's gotta be bad. So shoot that horse before you even try a test ride.
      • ScottZ 3 months ago
        The great thing about Netflix is, you can drop them any day you want. When was the last time Verizon let you do that? Starz not reaching a contract agreement with Netflix basically means they kissed hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue goodbye. Netflix is the only thing that can compete with Piracy right now.
    • Ed  •  Tampa, United States  •  3 months ago
      Not that I am a big fan of Netflix but why would I pay Verizon $5.00 to view a pay per view movie that is 5 years old and I can watch on Netflix for $8.00 for a whole month of selections of old movies. I hope this deal will make Verizon more competitive.
    • John L.  •  Maple Grove, United States  •  3 months ago
      A little bit of a hassle, for BIG savings. Cut the cable! Comcast is a rip off.
    • AngryoungRedhead  •  3 months ago
      Dear Netflix,

      Here's how to DOUBLE your customer base.
      1. Freshen up your streaming selection - Newer movies and TV shows = $$$.
      2. Add porn and get rid of the "recently watched" list and just watch the money roll in.

      Seriously, it's not that difficult.
    • Real Real  •  3 months ago
      Hater
    • BackyardZooGames  •  3 months ago
      Everything is moving towards online streaming...
    • Footwrk61  •  Allentown, United States  •  3 months ago
      Wow. Welcome to the '90's Verizon. I hope they are going to stream Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles!

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