Donald Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani makes bizarre claim that ‘truth isn’t truth’

Rudy Giuliani said “truth isn’t truth” in a television interview (Picture: Rex)

Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani has claimed “truth isn’t truth” in a TV interview.

The former mayor of New York made the bizarre statement as he explained his concerns over pushing the US president into an interview that he says could be a perjury trap.

Mr Giuliani used the line during an interview on NBC’s Meet the Press with Chuck Todd on Sunday.

He was trying to make the case that having Mr Trump sit down for an interview with the team investigating Russia’s role in the 2016 election would not accomplish much because of the “he-said-she-said” nature of witnesses’ recollections.


Mr Giuliani cited former FBI director James Comey as an example, who has said that Mr Trump pushed him at a private meeting to ease up in the federal investigation of former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn. Mr Trump has disputed his claims.

“I am not going to be rushed into having him testify so that he gets trapped into perjury,” Mr Giuliani said.

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Donald Trump and his lawyer Rudy Giuliani (Picture: Rex)
TV presenter Chuck Todd could not believe Mr Giuliani’s comment (Picture: NBC)

“And when you tell me that, you know, he should testify because he’s going to tell the truth and he shouldn’t worry, well, that’s so silly because it’s somebody’s version of the truth. Not the truth.”

When Mr Todd replied: “Truth is truth,” Mr Giuliani responded: “No, it isn’t truth. Truth isn’t truth.”


He added: “Donald Trump says, ‘I didn’t talk about Flynn with Comey’. Comey says, ‘You did talk about it’, so tell me what the truth is.”

Mr Todd was left flummoxed by the comments, putting his hand on his head and saying: “This is going to become a bad meme!”


Mr Comey later tweeted: “Truth exists and truth matters. Truth has always been the touchstone of our country’s justice system and political life.

“People who lie are held accountable. If we are untethered to truth, our justice system cannot function and a society based on the rule of law dissolves.”

Mr Trump and his aides have long been accused of spreading lies and disinformation.

White House counsellor Kellyanne Conway famously referred to such claims early last year as “alternative facts”.