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    Huge uproar over PM Lee's comments

    A student living in Hougang asked if he could pay less tax since the area does not enjoy as much upgrading. (Yahoo! photo)A student living in Hougang asked if he could pay less tax since the area does not enjoy as much upgrading. (Yahoo! …UPDATE

    Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's open admission that PAP wards are favoured for HDB upgrading exercises has touched a raw nerve among netizens.

    His admission came as a reply to a university student living in the Hougang Single-Member Constituency (SMC) ward who asked if he could pay less tax since the opposition-held ward does not enjoy upgrading programmes.

    Since this story was first posted, reaction has been swift with over 1,500 Facebook shares and 150 comments. The majority were highly critical of PM Lee's stand.

    The highest-rated comment came from Yahoo! user Chia, who posted, "Upgrading is not delivered solely based on policies. It is driven by money from the reserves. The money comes from the people and not from PAP."

    He added that,  "It (upgrading) is a national building programme. A nation does not belong to any party but the people."

    Another Yahoo! user, Davido, said, "I can't believe the PM said that, my only respect left for him is that he is candid enough to admit not all wards are treated equally."

    User VKH was also appalled at the PM's comments.

    He wrote, "I thought that as PM, he was there to represent ALL the people, without favour or preference. He is not the PM of just those he voted for, but for each and every Singapore citizen, including those who did not vote for him or his party... How can the PM say that if you vote for PAP, you get nice chocolate cake and coffee, but if you vote for other party you only get water and biscuit?"

    The furious reaction comes a day after fourth-year engineering student Seah Yin Hwa asked PM Lee why residents living in Hougang SMC are penalised for picking "a 'Teochew nang' (dialect for Teochew person) who doesn't wear a white uniform"

    When asked by PM Lee on how he was penalised, the 25-year-old Seah said, "When it comes to upgrading, what is being told to us is that we don't have the funds to actually go ahead with lift upgrading, as well as shelters to the bus stops. When I look across the road to Aljunied GRC, they have everything, " reported The Straits Times.

    Paraphrasing the question posed, PM Lee said that what Mr Seah meant is why opposition wards are not treated at least as good, or maybe even better than the PAP wards.

    PM Lee's reply was, "The answer is that there has to be a distinction. Because the PAP wards supported the Government and the policies which delivered these good things."

    He said that while basic goods such roads, transportation, housing, healthcare and defence apply to Singaporeans, the extras — which come down to the upgrading programmes — is a national programme.

    "Between the people who voted and supported the programme and the government, and the people who didn't, I think if we went and put yours before the PAP constituencies, it would be an injustice," PM Lee told the 1,200 students who were attending a Ministerial Forum organised by the National University of Singapore (NUS) Students' Political Association. .

    In response to PM Lee, Seah cheekily asked if he could pay less tax and maybe "take one or two years off my NS?", which drew laughter and applause from the audience.

    But PM Lee said that this is not possible because the SAF, defence, taxes and all the facilities which have been provided, are enjoyed by every Singaporean.

    Rounding off his reply, PM Lee said, "But you can do something about it, you know. You don't have to keep voting for people not in white-on-white."

    PM Lee explains ministerial salaries

    The contentious issue of ministerial salaries was also discussed at the forum after a Nanyang Technological University (NTU) accountancy student brought it up, comparing the salaries of leaders from Singapore and the United States.

    "The US president is actually paid less than a Cabinet minister in Singapore. I'm sure we agree his job is a lot tougher than our Cabinet ministers," said the student.

    In his response, PM Lee said that US President Barack Obama may be earning less than a Singaporean minister, but the American system is not without its flaws.

    For example, he highlighted that the US had different ways of rewarding its presidents and that the low salary of the president had suppressed salaries down the line.

    Explaining his first point, PM Lee said that former US presidents are involved in money-spinning book and lecture tours after they step down.

    "Retired US presidents go on book tours, they write books, they are paid US$10 million (S$13 million) advance, they get somebody to help them write a tome and they make a lecture tour…Every lecture (by former president) Bill Clinton: US$100,000 to US$200,000 for half an hour.

    "That's the system. I think that's not a good system for us. We don't want ministers to retire and go on lecture tours."

    Touching on his second point, PM Lee said the low salary of US presidents adversely impacted the rest of the civil service down the line.

    "Because the president's pay being set at a level which is not quite right, all the rest of the civil service and government pay in the US system has to take dressing from there and come down…and come down," he said.

    PM Lee stressed that Singapore's ministerial pay structure was one that works.

    But when asked if salaries should still be pegged to the private sector given the many candidates taken from the civil service and unions, he replied, "The reason I can get good people from the Government and the unions is that I have a pay system which is working properly.

    "People do not enter politics to get rich but neither will they enter politics and as a result, they and their family will become poor."

    He added, "It is something which is not easy to accept emotionally but is the right thing for Singapore. If you want the system to work for the long term, you must be honest about it. What do I pay for? I pay for the importance of the job and how difficult it is to do."

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    • luna  •  1 year 1 month ago
      One side question. I had never vote before and a friend of mine told me that we need to fill in our ID on the voting slip. Is it true?
      • Aries 1 year 1 month ago
        no, u only need to register at the voting stand to get ur voting slip n cross whichever party u wanna vote for, no ID required on the voting slip
      • Moonie 1 year 1 month ago
        Don't be silly. The ID is already printed on the voting sheet. You just put in the cross for the party you want to vote.

        And after the election, it is destroyed, watched by all concerned. There is no way that they know who you vote. Don't be fooled just like our parents' and grangparents' generation.

        Vote smartly for the future, you are living on expensive ground.
      • shichs 1 year 1 month ago
        are you sure they are destroyed... ?? for all you know maybe they are running through it and marking down who vote for opposition party.. and they enter into a secret system so when you try to apply for a govt job or apply for a hdb, they dig into the secret system and vote you out..
    • ang  •  1 year 1 month ago
      Redhill market prices of food up two-three months ago.Today news (top man or A class ppl) put poster at the market not increase prices of foods for six months what a joke! chicken rice $2.50 now $3.00, coffee 80 cents now 90 cents, duck noodle $2.60 now $3.00 and so on etc.....................
      i think A CLASS ppl do not eat at market daily lost touch to the ppl in redhill market.
      • Tommy 1 year 1 month ago
        they no need to go to market or take MRT or bus like us.
      • comakei 1 year 1 month ago
        He how to eat at hawker center....he goes and so many body guards protecting him and take away all the table spaces from low class people. And only he eats one bowl of noodle while the rest watch over his shoulder. The hawkers sure kao pei. May be we cannot even enter the hawker center becoz they have security checks.
    • Watcher  •  1 year 1 month ago
      Dear Mr President Nathan, you are supposed to safeguard public money from being abused by any government of the day. The government is certainly abusing it when public housing in Hougang and Potong Pasir, two opposition wards, are being discriminated. HDB does not belong to the ruling party, so does the civil service. Mr President, as the highest paid politician in the planet... can you say or do something about this?
      • ohmygod 1 year 1 month ago
        a word from him, will get his butt out of the game... get it?? ... hahahah so to him "slient is golden'
      • sandstone 1 year 1 month ago
        the only President who met the opposition was Mr Devan Nair. The only President who spoke on the government managing the assets was Mr Ong Teng Chong. The end result was dramatic.
      • Moonie 1 year 1 month ago
        The President also belongs to the PAP, choseen by them, nominated by them and put into position by them. How can he bite the hands that help him?

        Another PAP figure who stands on their stubborn unreasonable side!
    • Anonymous 2011  •  1 year 1 month ago
      soon someone will come to rescue and "clarify" the meaning
    • Jason  •  1 year 1 month ago
      It is unfair for the current Government to deprive people living in Hougang from the upgrading benefits. It just shows that the PAP is not willing to compete with the opposition parties on a fair ground based on credentials, credibilities and abilities of its candidates blow for blow. Its a casino concept, the dealer from the casino table is not necessary smarter than you but because he has the casino war chest behind him, if you continue to play the game with him, you will eventually lose everything because they have more money than you. They can afford to make mistakes but not you.

      Imagine we are talking about upgrading benefits and there is already deprivation. I am just wondering what if it is not benefits but rather government aid needed i.e. if we were to have a crisis such as the one Japan has recently experienced i.e. earthquake, short of food, medical, water and electricity supplies. I can imagine that the singaporeans living in Hougang would possibly be last in the queue receiving such aid....from the government....and if they ever receive them....will it be on time to save them.

      As for Bill Clinton.....well..he had committed adultery as head of the country, what worse could have happened? But still, he had successes selling his books and people are willing to listen to him talk. That is not manipulation using his authority but plainly based on market demand. If there are people still willing to listen to him after negative things he had done, there must be a reason and most probably, it may be because he is good in his assessment, views, and opinion in other areas that matters to the world and mankind. Try asking one of the other current ministers or some of our own ministers to write a book and see how many copies can be sold?

      The ministers' pay issue is an extremely sensitive issue and most people that I know could not accept the government's explanation that it must be pegged to the private sector pay scale. Our government is doing something that none other government in the world is doing and they expect the people to just accept it as the only reasonable and logical explanation. Our government has to earn the respect and support of the people (this generation and the next Gen X, Y or what you called them) with their action. So they need to re-think whether such things they have perceived to be right and fair are really so in the opinion of an unbiased panel of people, if not, the majority of the Singaporeans.

      I can only hope that our government could really come to realize that we Singaporeans have become more critical in thinking than what they think. They have got to try harder to give us better quality answers that can genuinely address our concerns and questions. Don't give answers and comments that will embarrass us as well as themselves. Its not just us that is looking at their answers...the entire world is looking. And since they pride themselves as being the best in business in Singapore, they better not let their answers/comments contradict the claim and become a topic of laughter and criticism.
      • songanddance 1 year 1 month ago
        Here is the challenge.

        Suppose one of the MInisters, say , WKS or or any of the SMs apply for a job with United Overseas Bank. Suppose, they ask UOB to match their existing salary as Minister.

        WHAT DO THINK WEE CHOW YOW WILL SAY?
    • john  •  1 year 1 month ago
      Mr Prime Minister

      You sound very bias what will the world think of our Prime Minister. Even if it true it should not be coming out from your mouth.
    • tan  •  1 year 1 month ago
      I am so disappointed to see PM replies...I do hope he see and put himself as the PM of all Singaporeans instead of a key member of in PAP at times. When promoting the goodness of his party, he can by all means stand by his party-PAP but when it comes to the benefits of his people (all Singaporeans) he should be fair and equal to all. Which zone area get to upgrade first should be based by the living conditions and the age group of the people living there, regardless of the party the residents voted.

      We voted people based on their capability and not becos of the party they are in. I held high respect for Hougang elected member becos he is really a capable person whom has put his heart and time to manage and help Hougang residents well, despite the little support which his party rec'd from the government.

      I stayed at PAP zone area, so far I have not see any new opposition members whom is more capable and well like than the PAP members. But I will not limit my choice to just PAP...as long as your party are handworking, capable, kind and wise leaders for our zone, I will definitely vote for your party, may it be PAP or others.

      As for the salary issue, I hope PM know that there are still many households in Singapore which survive on only 1 to 2 K per month. This what we perceived as "poor family", all your ministers mostly of PAP menbers are so far away from been banded into the "poor group". Dear PM B4 you or another minister put forward for the next increment of salary, please think of the less fortunates and the needy ones, please cater more funds for these people than your very well-to-do ministers. If these minister are all so money-minded in the first place then why chose to serve the country in the first place...Serve your country with your hearts and a sense of honour not just making money...that is what I feels :)
      • Since Here Lee 1 year 1 month ago
        That @#$% @#$% Loon---- treated himself as PAP PM and not as Singaporeans' PM.

        He bombed, big time.

        He will make very little $, even if he goes on talk circuit (after his tenure).

        He had better go on Talk Circus. Be a clown, loon----.
      • Screwed U ! 1 year 1 month ago
        This is not a country but just a company. Everyone is just a worker. Hav you forgotten someone has said that before ?
      • Tommy 1 year 1 month ago
        im now encouraging my wife to further her education[Masters deg in UK] n become a MP[ MORE PAY]
    • Guided By Voices  •  1 year 1 month ago
      Listen here. You can manipulate and shortchanged the very people who put a lot of trust in you and get away with it well fed and happy but remember this....! You will eventually lay motionless, powerless and left behind all those luxurious you've acquired at the expense of others blood and sweat who truly deserve it.

      Your guilt, deeds and conscience will haunt even you in your grave or in ashes and you will be held answerable to each and every single one of them in a horrifying and unimaginable way.
    • 1965  •  1 year 1 month ago
      I respected what PAP has done for Singapore. I asked myself (before reading this article) : "If I have a chance to vote, will I vote for PAP???..." (I don't get to vote in past elections, as there were no oppositions in where I live.)

      I can't believe our Dear PM has such “Narrow Minded", "Petty" answer..... I have to read his answer over and over again... I am very DISAPPOINTED, my HEART ACHES...

      Is PAP too proud??? too arrogant???

      I now understand that the OPPOSITION PARTY MEMBERS are the PEOPLE who give up their opportunities to make tones of money in Private sectors, sacrifice their precious time, to try to fight all odds to voice out for Singaporean.

      I SALUTE ALL THE OPPOSITION PARTY MEMBERS!!!
    • being human  •  1 year 1 month ago
      Seah Yin Hwa, 25 HE GOT BALLS GOOD QUESTION IT TAKE A 25 YEARS OLD PERSON TO STAND UP AND ASKED THE QUESTION.

      In my view if the PM answer as such than why do you pratice DOUBLE standard ?????????

      PM should go back and read the constitution - JOB OF A GOVERNMENT the actual meaning
      its good to finally hear what the PAP got to say -

      SO SINGAPOREAN WHAT DOES THIS SAY TO ALL OF YOU OPEN YOUR EYES.
      THERE IS NO NO EQUALITY I THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE OUR PLEDGE TOO
      REGARDLESS OF RACE LANGUAGE AND RELIGION TO BUILD A DEMO SOCITIES BASED BASED BASED ON JUSTICE AND EQUALITIES ------------ WHY IS OUR EQUIALITY
    • A Yahoo! User  •  1 year 1 month ago
      Singaporean need a " Change"! We can't just let the white shirt candicates keep walking us around. We need a change. A change for better integrity, respects and better lifes style. We should given rooms for other opposition candicate to lead US to right path.
      Is always the same piece of stories when comes to election stands. To many promises prior election thereafter poor singaporean returns in double to pay for all this 5MM's.
      I seen this thru half of my life...is enough! We, Singapoprean need a "CHANGE".
      What upset us is WHY the home affair minister WKS still exits when" SIn most wanted man" Mat Selemate escapes. Is was a ashame to seeing Singapore has place "Security as Top prioity" when convictee slipped out! Poor Guards had to take thos blame!!

      We need a " CHANGE". A change which see young better candicate may lead us thru.....
    • Please Lah  •  1 year 1 month ago
      Lol, can I paraphase SM Goh and say PAP MPs are "not hungry enough?" - only wayang wayang when Election is round the corner and need extra $$$$ to motivate them?

      By the comments seen so far, I'm very encouraged that Singaporeans are speaking up and asking the right questions....definitely dispelling the notion that "Singaporeans who vote for the opposition are daft (LKY)".
    • Goondu  •  1 year 1 month ago
      I am surprise our PM played down the high ministerial salaries by saying that the US Presidents would earn millions after their terms are over by involving with money spinning books and lecture tours. We are talking about ministerial pay packages and not what a US President would earn after his retirement in politic.

      When you compare, you compare light with light. What a US President would earn after his term is over is totally unrelated with this topic!
    • Tanjong Bodoh  •  1 year 1 month ago
      @@@ My last Gentle reminder for ALL Native Singporeans... @@@

      IF you vote PAP....

      These things might takes place....

      1) HDB prices increases to $100,0000 ! YES $1 Fu#king Million dollars !
      2) GST 10% or more !
      3) CPF withdrawal again Delay !
      4) More influx of Foreigners into Singapore !
      5) More ERP Gantries and More Expensive charges !

      So...Vote wisely please ! For our future and our Children future..........
      NO more Pay N Pay $
    • TOH KOK KING  •  1 year 1 month ago
      After 50 year in power , now they cliamed they are the "house owner "....LOL.
    • equaliser  •  1 year 1 month ago
      PAP is too complacent & arrogrant. We people had been silence for too long. Let's do something about it now. Vote more opposition party to voice our view. Be brave to do that than to be a YES nation to all the crap policies. Our young & old generation is suffering from stress & fatigue for too long already.
    • Bookmaker  •  1 year 1 month ago
      lol 1st he disagree to GCT, MP need sit in at least 4 times instead of 2.
      Now he disagree to his dad agai. Did his dad wrote a few books? didn't he?
    • dont say stupid things  •  1 year 1 month ago
      PM Lee just lost my vote.
    • conscience of mankind  •  1 year 1 month ago
      不屈服于权势,贫贱不能移。。。

      为政者,应该先天下之忧而忧,后天下之乐而乐。
      为政者,应该爱国,爱民,现在却恐吓人民!

      恐吓,对真正新加坡人没用。我们宁可穷也不为强权所慑,不为金钱所欺。

      做人要有骨气!人穷志不穷。死不足惜!

      我们是新加坡人,别恐吓我们!
    • James  •  1 year 1 month ago
      If I stay in Hougang, I will definitely be angry also if my hard earned money is used to pay for upgrading other peoples home but not mine. Mind you, many of these people have upgrading even though they did not vote for PAP. And what about those in Hougang who voted for the PAP that have no upgrading? Makes me wonder if people actually voted for PAP because of better candidate or because they just want to increase their home value via upgrading even though the PAP candidate is inferior. Come on! A good democracy is where each citizen have the rights and free will to choose which party's candidate is more capable in representing them, and not be threatened with no upgrading.
      Also wonder why Singapore govt cannot learn to be efficient like their HK counterparts. HK is small like us, economy similar to our size but they don't need 2 DPM, MM, SM, President etc... Can save us millions of $ that can be put to better use. Their Chief Executive and parliament members also earn so much less. Maybe to them, serving the public is more important than earning money. Guess we Singaporeans should be ashamed of ourselves. Someone should make a comparison of HK and our Govt structures and their total salaries. It will be a real eye opener. Since we are so into foreign talent, maybe we can bring in people from the HK Govt (after neutralizing them to become citizens) to help govern our country since their salaries are so much lower. The tons of tax payers money saved can then be channeled to better use like community chest and help the needy.
      Also, I find it a waste that capable people in the army/navy/airforce, were asked to leave what they are good at just to join politics. Why can't we just leave them doing what they excel in? Just because someone is good at military stuffs does not mean that he will be good in formulating education or finance policies. Let him continue in military and he will get even better and isn't this what Singapore wants i.e. best General or Admiral?

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